somegadgetguy ( @somegadgetguy@lemdro.id ) English164•15 days agox
ΛdΛm_𝒷 ( @adam_b@infosec.pub ) English44•8 months agoI love how you took the time to write the years and title of the event… 😁😆😊🤍
Wish there was a website or a wiki that document all this, these companies are basically using philosophical fallacies as a marketing strategy at this point
flipht ( @flipht@kbin.social ) 20•8 months ago100%. Most business is just advanced sophistry at this point. Marketing and advertising serves a useful purpose for new products, when the market isn’t aware that it exists.
But by quantity and cost, most advertising is just social manipulation and is effectively an extra drain on the economy.
skuzz ( @skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de ) English6•8 months agoAnd that’s just the last three years!
30p87 ( @30p87@feddit.de ) English37•8 months agoBuying or updating an app requires system-wide sign in
Only if one uses the official play store. Which apple does not understand, ofc.
Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English9•8 months agodoes not understandDoes not want to understand
interolivary ( @interolivary@beehaw.org ) English23•8 months agoWell, it’s not like Apple doesn’t also collect pretty hair-raising information on you. Go digging through some of the sqlite databases on your machine and you’ll find eg. a social graph that even supports labels for things like political affiliations (I think this db was the one used by their ominously named “intelligence platform” service). Another db (which I think was for the
knowledged
daemon) has an incredibly detailed log of everything you do on your computer and phone, including eg. web URLs and millisecond granularity events on when you interact with your devices. Whether that social graph or all that other stuff ever leaves your devices is unknown (although eg. theknowledged
stuff definitely does since I can see events for my phone on my laptop), but I wouldn’t count on it not being sent to Apple – regardless of what they claim.And yeah, sure, this is all to make “customer experience” better, but do you seriously believe that’s all they will be used for?
Edit: and just as a side note, I’m not basing these claims on stuff I read online, but on actually having looked at the contents of those databases myself
ElPussyKangaroo ( @ElPussyKangaroo@lemdro.id ) English4•8 months agoCould you cite the source for those dbs?
interolivary ( @interolivary@beehaw.org ) English12•8 months agoSure!
~/Library/IntelligencePlatform
(associated withintelligenceplatformd
) has a bunch withgraph.db
being the social graph, but with others likebehaviors.db
andeventLog.db
also likely being relevant, and I thinkontology.db
was the one where they kept more information on the tags available for the social graph.~/Library/Application\ Support/Knowledge/knowledgeC.db
(associated with Spotlight’sknowledgeconstructiond
, which I think used to be calledknowledged
in earlier versions) has the other stuff I mentioned.There’s also some system-level things in eg.
/var/db/knowledgegraphd/
but I haven’t bothered looking into those yet because it’d require disabling SIP. ElPussyKangaroo ( @ElPussyKangaroo@lemdro.id ) English1•8 months agoOk, I’m just gonna come out and say it - I messed up.
I clearly have no idea what you’re saying, and I don’t even know why I expected anything even remotely simple to understand.
I apologise for wasting your time, but thank you so much for this comment, however pointless it may seem now.
interolivary ( @interolivary@beehaw.org ) English2•8 months agoOh you didn’t waste my time at all, no worries. It’s not like copy-pasting those paths from my terminal was all that much work, and it’d definitely have been better if I’d included that info right from the start. Unfortunately I couldn’t give any blog posts etc as a source, because as I said it was all based on my own poking around in those databases, but at least I could say where the databases were so others could do some poking around of their own if they wanted to
ElPussyKangaroo ( @ElPussyKangaroo@lemdro.id ) English2•8 months agoMakes sense… Thanks alot for the nice response 🫡.
Auzy ( @Auzy@beehaw.org ) English21•8 months agoI used to sell apple gear at a reseller. They literally used to send messages to our customers for applecare.
The difference is that Apple simply uses the data for it’s own benefit and competes against everyone (including people developing for their system)
miss_brainfart ( @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml ) English1•8 months agoApple simply uses the data for it’s own benefit
So… like Google
Auzy ( @Auzy@beehaw.org ) English1•8 months agoDefinitely not saying Google is any better.
But don’t forget, Apple gets billions of dollars from Google too, to be default webpage… So they’re totally complicit, and in practice, they’re effectively selling your user data to google.
The biggest issue with Apple has always been their dodgy marketing. 20 years ago, they were living off the incorrect claim that “MacOS can’t get Viruses”, and now, seems to be just as dodgy with privacy.
miss_brainfart ( @miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml ) English1•8 months agoAt the end of the day, being as big as they are makes both of them malicious, manipulative and exploitative per default, otherwise they wouldn’t be multi-billion or even trillion dollar companies in the first place.
Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English14•8 months agoThey’re not wrong. Its just they aren’t the perfect solution
roguetrick ( @roguetrick@kbin.social ) 3•8 months agoI don’t think they want to be. I just think they want to fragment Android. I agree with them.
krimsonbun ( @krimsonbun@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English14•8 months agoThe fall of android would be the fall of the only reliable open os for phones. I’m not seeing many custom roms for privacy based on iOS.
roguetrick ( @roguetrick@kbin.social ) 2•8 months agoOpening a space for an OS fork led by a consortium of mobile phone manufacturers that don’t have a vested interest in supporting their ad and tracking business would be an overall benefit. Google sees value in android only for that, and that’s a major problem.
jet ( @jet@hackertalks.com ) English12•8 months agoThey are not wrong
katy ✨ ( @cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English9•8 months agowas this old (the google logo is the old one so i’m not sure) or was apple just uninformed?
you can have all sorts of multiple accounts in the control panel, mail and calendar all have on device log ons, you can update apps outside of the app store or use the google play store with your google account the same way you do with your apple account.
skuzz ( @skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de ) English7•8 months agoGiven how they operate internally at the engineering level, probably just Apple being uninformed. The internal culture is total brainwash. Apple tech is the only tech. It is partly why they genuinely think they created technologies. They never stick their head out of the fruit to see what the world around them has, and they have a habit of buy, cheat, or steal to ensure their monopoly continues.
Maybe an interesting sociological experiment? How technology evolves in a cult versus outside the cult back in the real world?
Snowplow8861 ( @Snowplow8861@lemmus.org ) English6•8 months agoFive words into the article says
Apple’s internal presentation from 2013
Literally at the top under TL;DR
Zuberi 👀 ( @Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English1•8 months agoDang you’re so helpful :)
/home/pineapplelover ( @pineapplelover@lemm.ee ) English9•8 months agoYes, but if you put graphene on a pixel it’s miles beyond an iphone
mindlight ( @mindlight@lemm.ee ) English9•8 months agoCongratulations to you and the other 0.000000001% of Android users then.
/home/pineapplelover ( @pineapplelover@lemm.ee ) English1•8 months agoI would like to think that the percentage of users who have grapheneOS is maybe 5% of the pixel population. I’m just pulling a number out of my ass right now but basically a lot of people who want the very best privacy and security go for graphene which is limited to only Pixels even though there are more cool phones like the fp5.
Avero ( @Avero@feddit.de ) English5•8 months agoLineage is by far the most popular custom ROM and it has about 3.2 million active devices. Which is about nothing in comparison to 1.22 billion smartphones sold alone in 2022. Barely anyone uses third party ROMs.
Gunpachi ( @gunpachi@lemmings.world ) English1•8 months agoThere are some people who use other roms like Lineage without the google apps. It’s not as good as Graphene but it’s better than the OEM version that comes with the phones.
👁️👄👁️ ( @mojo@lemm.ee ) English8•8 months agoClosed source is always privacy invasive by default.
HubertManne ( @HubertManne@kbin.social ) 5•8 months agoThe real question when it comes to privacy is how much you can modify the device and os to get rid of the tracking.
smileyhead ( @smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de ) English5•8 months agoThe difference is that Google is collecting everything, while Apple can collect everything.
Also, Android is not a “device”.
Android and iOS are a massive tracking operating systems. Stick to deGoogled Android and Linux on mobile.
sadreality ( @sadreality@kbin.social ) 3•8 months agoStick to Linux on desktop. Windows 11 is now on par with phone OS
JWBananas ( @JWBananas@startrek.website ) English5•8 months agoClearly this was before Apple became one of the largest advertising companies.
Chemical Wonka ( @chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de ) English4•8 months agoHypocrites!
sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@feddit.de ) English3•8 months agoI use android and yeah, it is.
Flax ( @Flax_vert@feddit.uk ) English3•8 months agoThat’s an old Google logo