For Context: I live in the United States of America.

  • Define constantly, define afraid.

    If you continually maintain readiness for government violation of your rights, no problem. If your heart rate is elevated and you’re sweating in fear, that’s a pretty serious problem.

    As Bruce Lee said, “Do not be tense, but ready”.

    Yeah the government is a monster and it might come get you. That’s true. But the likelihood it’s coming to get you right now is very low and being in constant fear is no way to live. And the government isn’t the only monster.

      • Well I’m a libertarian because it takes into account all the other monsters. The goal of government is to maximize freedom. That doesnt’ mean anarchy, because people are less free under anarchy than they are under properly-operating government.

        IMO a government should be just powerful enough to prevent other governments from forming. Like, the purpose of an army in a democracy is to prevent other armies from coming to install a dictatorship over the people.

        Or to mirror the common saying about guns: “The only way to stop a bad government with an army, is with a good government with an army”.

        But the other monsters are gangs, corporations, individuals. And a good government enforces rules that prevent those other monsters from taking away your freedom.

        But yeah. Basic point is that libertarian => government’s purpose is to maximize freedom

            • So, I was gonna do a lot of research into seeing if the libertarian party actually proposes policy the way you suggested (in that corporate tyranny limits freedoms and therefore the libertarian party would be for policy that regulates corporations) but that’s a lot of work I don’t wanna do so instead I’m going to ask you if you’re aware of any such policy

              By the way, I am very pro small business (I partner with some friends in our own business, actually), and recognize the sentiment of “if the government regulates the market, then who regulates the government”. I would like to see the government solve positive and negative externalities by providing contracts to small businesses, as well as have the government function as a competitor to big corporations. But from what I can tell, the libertarian party is libertarian in the sense that they think government should have no authority over the markets.

              Again, I want it to be extremely accessible for individuals to take initiative in the market, but eveb right wing economists recognize that market failures exist for capitalism (such as in climate change or cybersec) and those negative externalities need to be addressed through some kind of regulation

  •  lugal   ( @lugal@lemmy.one ) 
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    For Context: I live in the United States of America.

    It’s so cool that you say that! Most Americans just assume they are the default and don’t have to say where they are from.

    For Context: I live in Europe

  • One thing to consider when you constantly feel something is “why?”

    Why are you constantly afraid of the government?

    Fear is our response to danger, it motivates us to take actions to protect ourselves. Fear in the presence of danger is normal, fear in the absence of danger is not a tremendously helpful emotion. The hard part now is really truly identifying why you fear the government.

    Your first reaction might be to start listing grievances, the direct reason you fear the government. This could range from reasonable concerns, “they have a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence and use that monopoly to attack me physically,” to less reasonable concerns like “they are lizard people.”

    I’d invite you though to try to not stop at the list of grievances and interrogate “why” you believe that grievance is real.

    Consider these two examples.

    I fear the government because the police beat me up. I fear being beaten up because physical violence is painful and living without physical safety is truly dangerous. My fear is likely a reasonable response.

    I fear the government because they are going to join in a new world order where the satanists and the the blue-eyed people are plotting to turn us all into Babylon 5 fans by putting sriracha in the public water supply. I fear this because I’ve watched several thousand hours of YouTube videos be people that have convinced me of this plot. The people making these videos are trustworthy because… hmm… they say they are. The people making the videos make money by me watching their videos and buying their merchandise because I believe in them. I believe in them because they claim to have the only way to keep me safe from this danger I’m very afraid of. Uh oh, this fear is irrational and being fed by people that profit off me always being afraid.

      •  immutable   ( @immutable@lemm.ee ) 
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        I’d consider your fear to be rational, although others might disagree.

        Governments, by their nature, hold a monopoly on the “legitimate use of violence.” That’s a pretty terrible power to abuse and the best systems we have for holding power in check is to diffuse it into many people and set those people somewhat at odds with each other, aka, checks and balances.

        I would consider J6 to be a failed coup, and coups are often about consolidating power into fewer and fewer hands, purging groups at odds with a strong man leader, which is fertile ground for abuse of power.

        Now though you have to decide what to do with that fear. You have to decide how you want that fear to be a part of your life. Fear exists to tell us of danger, it’s our limbic system telling us to pay attention. You get to decide now if this danger is real and if living in fear is appropriate.

        There are many reactions to fear, but I’ve found that positive action and mental health support are good responses to fear.

        As an example, I struggle with anxiety, and it sucks because when you are anxious about something it’s common to avoid it and then you never fix it so it makes you more anxious and then you avoid it more, repeat. It took mental health support in the form of therapy and anti anxiety medicine to give me the tools I needed to start taking positive action that started tackling the things causing me anxiety. Now though, much less anxiety, the things that made me anxious weren’t helpful, it wasn’t helpful to my life to be constantly worrying about things I could address once I wasn’t constantly worrying.

        Fear is a difficult emotion to live with day in and day out. Perhaps there are positive actions you can take to help address these fears, run for office, vote, volunteer for candidates you believe in. I know that therapy was helpful for me in understanding why I feel what I feel and how to make healthy choices around those feelings.

        I hope you find some measure of peace though, you aren’t alone. I share your concerns, and many other people do, and I’ve decided to work my hardest to prevent it since that’s all I can do. History is full of assholes trying to fuck shit up for their own benefit and decent people unfucking that shit up.

  •  jsveiga   ( @jsveiga@vlemmy.net ) 
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    It’s not normal to be constantly afraid of anything. That’s not healthy.

    It’s normal and advisable not to completely trust the government, but being constantly afraid is paranoid.

  •  CoderKat   ( @CoderKat@lemm.ee ) 
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    How constantly are we talking? I think some degree of fear is completely reasonable. If the government wants to, they could ruin your life in countless ways. They can often detain, injure, or kill you legally, and even if it’s not legally, there’s a good chance that nothing will happen to them. They can pass laws that will make your life harder, very possibly to the point of pushing you out or not wanting to continue living.

    I’m not sure which type of fear you have or where you’re located, so I’m not gonna try to downplay your fear. There’s absolutely some places where you should be afraid of what the government might do at any moment. eg, Russians have a lot more to be afraid of from their government than someone from, say, Canada. Similarly, LGBT folks have a lot to be afraid of from quite a scary number of governments around the world, as well as even some regional governments (such as Florida). But in some places, your fear may be taking it too far, particularly if it’s impacting your life too much, since frankly there is no place in the world where governments aren’t scary if they wanted to fuck with you.

    EDIT: I see another comment of yours mentioning US things. Perhaps the best thing of note for the US is that your state is very influential. The difference between California vs Florida is like night and day. If you’re not already in a state that is moving in the right direction, you may feel safer in such a state. Obviously there’s still federal government power and even progressive states abuse their powers, but there’s no shortage of examples of progressive states standing up against tyrany from the federal government and going out of their way to protect people that other states are actively persecuting.

    • I don’t really care about the Capitalist-Socialist spectrum, I just want to live a normal happy life without tyrannical oppression. Capitalists are evil, and so far any Communist/Socialist societies have become totalitarian regimes and now ended up as Capitalist anyways, but even worse than your typical Capitalist country that still has democracy (China is a State-Capitalist country with no democracy, ironic, given how Communist they claim to be).

      • so far any communist/socialist societies have become totalitarian regimes

        Uh. You need to broaden your perspective. 1) many countries in Europe have more socialistic governments than the USA. 2) socialism is a spectrum with varying levels. The USA while ostensibly capitalist, has socialist roads and schools and police.

            • Last time someone dropped “you don’t understand socialism” on me I asked them for their definition and I got a youtube video of a professor giving me the definition I gave above.

              Is that not the definition you use of socialism? How do you define it?

              I’ll remind you that bones enable faster locomotion, and they accomplish it by their inflexibility. Clear, non-fluid concepts can do that too. We need a solid, simple definition of socialism to make any progress here don’t you think?

                • But what’s at one end of the spectrum here?

                  Light is a spectrum, and the ends of that spectrum are defined: 0 frequency at one end and infinite frequency at the other. A spectrum covering an infinite number of points ranging between two precise, simple definitions.

                  I define socialism as: joint ownership of the means of production by the people

                  I like the definition of capitalism as this, from wikipedia:

                  Capitalism is an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit. Central characteristics of capitalism include capital accumulation, competitive markets, price systems, private property, property rights recognition, voluntary exchange, and wage labor.

                  My short snarky definition is: Capitalism is the economic system where cooperation requires consent.

  •  erez   ( @erez@programming.dev ) 
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    Don’t give the government any more information than you have to.

    Don’t stand out.

    Be smart about the laws you break.

    If you do all that and your fear of government is greater than the fear of a car accident, then you’re not being rational.

  • I’m from the states and I’m always a little afraid they will find some strange reason and then put me in jail.

    Like, in 2005 you downloaded a movie… jail!

    Or

    You made a mistake on your taxes 4 years ago… jail!

  • Thankfully I don’t live in the US, as it was shown again and again that your government is doing whatever it wants to its population, including chemical tests and total surveillance. I just hope they don’t get bored of you guys anytime soon and start bullying innocent European.

    • The overly cynical details in my comment are partly on purpose.
    • Except the government isn’t doing any of that. It’s Facebook and Google and Palantir that are trying to total surveillance.

      It’s train companies slacking on safety that puts dangerous chemicals in our water.

      It’s the infiltration of business thinking for private good into the government, which manages public goods, that leads to reduced services whose be declining quality.

      I believe fear of the government is caused by business interests having influenced the public imagination to redirect justifiable grievances away from where it belongs.

      • Both can be true. A lot of the bad is business getting what it wants in pursuit of getting All of the money. A lot of the bad is incompetent government officials legislating things they don’t understand, often after “seminars” by lobbyists to “teach” them. And a lot of the bad is government officials with bad ideas doing bad things maliciously.

        For example, even businesses don’t want to kill off encryption but every once in a while here comes some Representative to try and do it anyway.

      •  HiT3k   ( @HiT3k@beehaw.org ) 
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        I have a lot of friends who are either centrists or on the right who are also very anti-government or government critical in their own way, and it bleeds into some conspiratorial thinking. One of the most difficult things when discussing politics with these people is separating corporate greed and government complicity. Everything from federal reserve policy to rail safety protocol. It’s a constant struggle to remind people that the government is almost entirely beholden to corporate interest. In most cases, there is no “machine” or elitist hegemony behind the government pulling the strings. Our capitalist society is more often directed by the invisible hand of the corporatocracy. The system is legion, and very few individuals actually have goals beyond the next few quarters.

        That’s often the most frustrating thing about arguing with conservatives and libertarians in my circles, at least with regards to systems of power and economic policy. They believe that since the economic powers that be seem to be making their own economic environment worse (and so threatening their own success decades down the line) that there must be some other power pulling the strings… but it’s really just shortsighted greed and economic mob mentality at every level.

        That’s not to say that there aren’t warhawks and “law and order” zealots making our country a more dangerous place, and politicians pushing dangerous identity wars to suppress the labor class and garner votes. That’s all certainly happening. I just don’t believe there’s any grand plan in the minds of most powerful people beyond what they can obtain in the next political cycle or four fiscal quarters.

    •  HiT3k   ( @HiT3k@beehaw.org ) 
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      I’m an American with every intention of retiring early in the EU, but I wouldn’t be so confident. There are plenty of examples of “liberal” western governments trying hard to become as totalitarian and anti-citizen as possible. Even today, I don’t think Australia (for example) is lagging behind the USA at all when it comes to surveillance and complete disregard for personal liberty, and they’re in fact far worse in many cases. The UK isn’t far behind either of us. The USA is just the biggest and the baddest and gets the most airtime. Some of the shit I read coming out of Australia just makes me think no one cares how dictatorial some Pacific island-continent becomes, otherwise we would all be talking about it more.