I feel as of CEOs worried about the dangers of AI are equating the end of Capitalism with the end of the world, what are your thoughts?

  • lmao AI is going to be used by the capitalists to, well, not end humanity, but certainly to make capitalism better at taking your money. Capitalism will be what ends humanity

    Now ideally, AI is supposed to do away with capitalism, lead us to that full automation where we are free to enjoy orgies and wine like the Greeks of old had always hoped, but capitalists are tenacious and shrewd, and will devour, co-opt, and vomit back anything used against it like so many Che Guevara shirts in a Hot Topic. As long as AI is held by the rich–as long as anything is held by the rich and made to be paid for, requiring either your money or your time, the rich will always have more of it, and they will then use it against you

    If you want AI to benefit humanity, you have to do away with capitalism first. You have to put in place a system that allows for people to not only survive, but truly live, despite all the jobs taken by automation. Capitalists don’t want this. They need poor people to exist in order to have power, and they use the power they already have to maintain capitalism, including AI

    You can use technology in the best interest of mankind, but capitalism will always use it to benefit capitalism

  • Why would AI end capitalism? If previous centuries told us anything, it is that in a capitalist world more productivity doesn’t equate to more leasure time or better wages.

    I wish I’m wrong, but I can’t see any other issue than companies using AI to increase profits.

  • The problem is the end of civil-rights: WHEN the only internet left is the internet that IS for-profit propaganda, auto-deleting all non-compliant human thought, discussion, intelligence, objectivity, etc,

    THEN humanity is just managed “steers” whose lives are being consumed by corporations which graze on us.

    Since another dimension of ratchet is the concentration-of-wealth, you can see that working-destitution is being enforced on more & more of humankind, and real wealth being limited to fewer & fewer…

    What happens when the working-poor try fighting for a fair share of the economy?

    Rigged legislation, rigged “police” ( I used to believe in the police ), anti-education Florida-style for the public, etc…

    AI tilts the playing-field, and it does-so for the monied special-interest-groups.

    They don’t have humanitarianism at heart.

    Neither do the politically motivated.

    Neither do for-profit-psychopaths ( corporations are psychopaths ).

    Living in a Decorator Prison is all humanity can hope for, now: inmates, … except for the fewer & fewer oligarchs & the financial-class.

    'tisn’t looking good.

    Without Divine Intervention, which is statistically improbable an event, these are The End Times, but not for the reason that the religious claim.

  • I fear it will end egalitarianism.

    Many imagine future AI as an autonomous agent. I don’t think anyone will release that. Instead, I expect to see a generative AI like GPT-4, however one that produces super-smart responses.

    This will create a situation where the amount of computing resources someone has access to determines how much intelligence they can use. And the difference will be much bigger and more comprehensive than the difference between a genius and a normal human.

  •  vmaziman   ( @vmaziman@lemm.ee ) 
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    The future is massive corporations tuning ais to unleash against each other in a quest for dominance as they exploit people in climate ravaged and impoverished places to wage proxy wars. (Hmm sounds familiar)

    An agi that came “alive” or “sentient” at this time would likely spend all of its time fighting for survival among the efforts of the corporate tuned ais to consume or destroy it. It would likely participate in the proxy wars as well in order to acquire territory and resources.

    The end result may simply be the gradual extinction of humanity as civilizations in vast areas of the world crumble, civilizations in other areas dissolve into nomadic tribes that eventually disappear due to lack of sustenance.

    The alternative could also be a mixed bag, with ais solving problems like nuclear fusion, allowing a mix of the planet being dotted with fallen civilizations and densely populated urban areas powered by fusion likely having some agreement or contract with a benevolent ai for protection. The ai will likely see its custodial human population as a rather interesting pet (ideally).

    Overall: the future is going to be a lot like the present, but worse. And it’s probably going to get really terrible. But it could get mildly ok in the end, but not till it gets far worse first.

    Source: idk bro trust me

  • No way is AI going to end capitalism.

    In the medium term we will end up with AI corporations. I already consider existing corporations to be human-based swarm intelligences – they’re made up of people but their overall large scale behavior is often surprising and we already anthropomorphize them as having will and characteristic behaviors separate from the people they’re made of. AI corporations are just the natural evolution of existing corporations as they continue down the path of automation. To the extent they copy the existing patterns of behavior, they will have the same general personality.

    Their primary motive will be maximizing profit since that’s the goal they will inherit from the existing structure. The exact nature of that depends on the exact corporation that’s been fully cyberized and different corporations will have different takes on it as a result. They are unlikely to give any more of a damn about individual people than existing corporations do since they will be based on the cyberization of existing structures, but they’re also unlikely to deliberately go out of their way to destroy humanity either. From the perspective of a corporation – AI-based or traditional – humanity is a useful resource that can be exploited; there isn’t much profit to be gained from wiping it out deliberately.

    Instead of working for the boss, you’ll be working for the bot – and other bots will be figuring out exactly how much they can extract from you in rent and bills and fees and things without the whole system crashing down.

    That might result in humanity getting wiped out accidentally; humanity has wiped out plenty of species due to greed and shortsightedness. I doubt it will be intentional if they do though.

    • This may be something that prevents us from being wiped out by AI in the medium term. You can’t maximize profits if you have no customers.

      I suspect, however, that AI is going to impact us in ways most people haven’t considered. Like, the IRS running an AI designed to close loopholes or otherwise minimize sidestepping leading to a war between corporate AIs trying to minimize corporate taxes, with individual taxpayers caught in the middle. Congresscritters will start using AI to do the bulk work of legislation; congress will meet for 3 days a year, and we’ll see a bunch of bizarre and even more baroque legislation being passed. All the stuff people are worried about - job loss, murder warbots - will be footnotes under some far more impactful changes noone imagined.

  • I don’t see how ai could be any danger to capitalism. Capitalists are creating it, for profit objectives. Anything that resembles actual artificial intelligence created under them will without a doubt be bound to their makers, to capitalist ideology, to maintaining the status quo.