#Memes

  • Digital Mark ( mdhughes@lemmy.ml ) English
    16·
    3 年前

    I say “developer” is only for code, “designer” can be any system, level, or character designer (ooh they use spreadsheets!), “artist” is only for drawing things. Marketing douchebags are “marketing douchebags”. And since I’m indie, I’m all of those.

    But some studios just don’t care and have stupid titles; as long as thy get paid it doesn’t matter to them. WTF cares what some idiot screaming in a forum says?

      • d3m0nr4v3r ( d3m0nr4v3r@feddit.de ) 
        9·
        3 年前

        Idk man… seems like that would make GameDev mean anything and nothing. Just for the record, I have no stakes in this discussion, I really don’t care. I just find it weird to blur a word like that. Is the game company’s canteen cook also a game dev? The person who plugged in the monitors? The CEO? The HR person? And so on…

        I agree tho that this entire discussion feels a little like gatekeeping and would prefer everyone getting some credit for the game development over pedantic hairsplitting.

      • Digital Mark ( mdhughes@lemmy.ml ) English
        8·
        3 年前

        Ooh, a whole decade! I’ve been developing games (“developing”) since the '80s. You are literally the guy I referred to, in a studio, with a stupid title. If you’d called yourself a developer without being able to write code at some companies I’ve worked at, you’d have a conversation with HR. As it is, people can get away with it but it’s not true. Words have meanings, even when savages from a fallen age misuse them.

        Actual customer service/community managers are fine, we need those; working indie that’s the worst part, not having them. But I’m with Bill Hicks on marketing douchebags.

  • porgamrer ( porgamrer@programming.dev ) 
    5·
    3 年前

    What a bunch of elitist horseshit.

    As a senior engine developer at a games company, this is how I see it:

    1. Your shitty flappy bird clone is worth less than the cheeto stain on your t-shirt as a cultural artifact
    2. I have met countless programmers who have never finished a single game, because they can’t design for shit
    3. I have met countless artists and level designers who have made commercially successful games after learning how to use 10% of a single scripting language
    4. The word “developer” predates software engineering and has nothing to with tech. We changed the meaning and now 14 year olds on reddit have changed it back. It doesn’t matter.
    5. If you were really some hot shit solo developer you would not need to look for validation in your job title. Seeing thousands of people enjoy something you designed every day would be enough.
    • onlinepersona ( onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English
      13·
      3 年前

      By that same logic, nobody can be a software developer because in order to develop a software project involving 100 people, one needs HR, managers, QA/testing, SREs, sysadmins, architects, finance, …

      Nobody can be a brick layer either because in order to build the Burj Khalifa one needed architects, engineers, glaziers, plumbers, managers, secretaries, fork-lift drivers, truck drivers, etc.

      Every team project has is multi-disciplinary. To claim one discipline doesn’t exist because in order to complete the project all disciplines are necessary, is willingful misrepresentation of facts.

        • onlinepersona ( onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English
          4·
          3 年前

          It’d be like arguing the term medical professional only means doctors.

          That makes more sense and I agree with it. The way you wrote it (or the way I interpreted it) was like “we’re all doctors because a hospital can’t run without the rest of its staff”. I still disagree that a level designer can be call themselves a game developer. That’d be like a nurse calling themselves a doctor.

            • snowe ( snowe@programming.dev ) 
              4·
              3 年前

              This is common because of the term Software Developer but the developer part of game developer comes from the creation/construction side

              since when? When did the software part of game developer stop being about actual code development and start being more like property or community? That makes literally no sense at all. Developer as it relates to any sort of code means the person actually writing the code. To say otherwise is just ignoring the meaning of words.

                • snowe ( snowe@programming.dev ) 
                  2·
                  3 年前

                  You misread that.

                  is a person or company engaged in a software development process, including research, design, programming, testing, and other facets of creating computer software

                  does not mean software testers are developers, it means that software development includes testing, and a person that does software development might be involved in all of the above.

                  Notice how the next sentence includes no such title that would be confused with a person that isn’t writing code.

                  Other job titles for people with similar meanings include programmer, software analyst, or software engineer.

  • insomniac_lemon ( insomniac_lemon@kbin.social ) 
    3·
    3 年前

    I get it! Me, developing a game, but it’s just not interactive in any way

    I mean sure anybody in a team can have input in what makes a ‘game’ in a basic sense. But I think there’s a difference between I contribute to this process and I do the thing. If programming is muscle/nerves, level design is bones (especially with puzzles) and concept art is skin (or spine when it pertains to the story).

    Also IMO solo-game-dev stuff should be elevated even for the simple stuff. It means you got all the keys, even if it takes you a while to find the right ones. (note I’m not even really comfortable with programming so I wouldn’t call it a bias, though if I could I most likely would stay solo so maybe it is)