Anatoly Karlin @powerfultakes
Replying to @RichardHanania
I’m against legalizing bestiality because the animal consent problem hasn’t been solved, but probably actually will be quite soon thanks to Al (at least for the higher animals with complex languages). So why not wait a few more years. I don’t see disgust as a good reason. It was an evolutionary adaptation of the agricultural era against the spread of zoonotic illnesses, but technology will soon make that entirely irrelevant as well.
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Why do I feel like this guy knows exactly how far a Scooby snack gets you.
How the fuck will LLMs help you flirt with Mr Snuffle paws? What is going on in this guy’s head?
It’s fascinating seeing everyone project onto this things. Like a rorschach test of desires. You have the madcap industrialist slavering over firing all humans, the nerd rapturists, the sexbot enthusiasts, the doomsday preppers, and apparently dolphinfuckers now.
you just gave me a great idea for a comedy show.
Nerd makeover except gpt is fed an image of the contestant and asked how to make them over. Contestant then goes to a mingle or speed dating or whatever. Using guidance from the chatbot on what to say and do.
Can we bait tech cultists into this?
fry waving dollars dot jpeg
Idk maybe that Mr beast guy would set it up and finance it?
No One Is Safe: Nominative Determinism Strikes Again!
Lol @ the Scooby snack line
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Well first we feed it a big corpus of books written by dogs, and then we get a little shaggy with Scooby if you know what I mean.
i like how he sees the “consent problem” as just a communication thing. “if they could speak, they would be saying yes”
perhaps he’s not hoping for “animals able to enthusiastically consent” but is in fact hoping for “animals amenable to participating in the free market and the world’s oldest profession”
“I don’t see disgust as a good reason” shows he hasn’t considered reasons why a chihuahua would dissent
Looking forward to when the grizzly bear grunts in his direction and he has to decide which reaction is the clear non consent one.
To be fair, the animals might be reverse furries.
of all the hills to die on, why would anyone pick this one lmao
These are the thoughts of the smartest people on Earth. If you don’t get it maybe you just aren’t that smart?
I don’t think the guy even understands consent tbh.
So why not wait a few more years
The world this posits is wild. First, you’ve got a person wanting to commit bestiality, but only wants it if it is legal, otherwise, why wait? Second, we’re going to both translate animal language (or neural activity if you wanna go steelman) into human language and back. And third, we’re gonna use that to successfully teach animals sex education (that, mind you, many countries already don’t have a great track record on teaching humans sex ed). Fourth, somehow these animals will be able to comprehend any of this in a meaningful way for the legal system to recognise their ability to consent (again, bad track record). And fifth the animals will actually consent.
higher animals
like, birds?
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dear internet vegans trying to start fights online by comparing eating meat with raping animals: fuck off
dear insecure meat eaters who think anyone gives a fuck you don’t like vegans: see above
Gotta wonder if that’s in any way related to how so many of those assholes have a hate-on for furries
Evolution is when all of the animal fuckers die from zoonotic diseases.
But soon they won’t because we’ll have something something TECH something something HEALTHCARE
Techlords are coming to rescue with animal sex dolls and bots.
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the only time they’d consider funding (actual) healthcare is when it affects them
death by single-celled dog up the urethra
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Yeah, I replied to the wrong post like a moron
If there’s one thing I’ll definitely take a very conservative stance on, it’s that beastiality is absolutely disgusting and should not be legal, ever. If it’s something like Sonic or a fictional drawing of an anthro on e621, fine, but if it’s your pet dog Helga, you need serious help.
Knowing just a smidgeon about how the statistical parrots work, I wonder were they will get the dataset for the animal languages.
This reminds me, I read an article in Nature about teaching dogs to read. Now, this was a 19th century article in a 19th century Nature, so it described how the author had written “food” on a note and placed it on the food bowl and placed a blank note on an empty bowl and eventually gotten his dog to fetch the note that had “food” written on it. Alas, due to unforeseen circumstances, it was hard to expand into more advanced literature.
So where to get the dataset? Nevermind, Magical AI to the rescue!
there is project to document as many whale noises as possible to build whale LLMs called Project CETI (get it like SETI but it’s for Cetaceans ahahahahaha like you put a C instead of an S so it’s like a double pun ahaha Cetaceans are whales btw haha)
That’s cool! Conversations will be depressing as fuck though.
“Hey whale how’s it going?”
“Umm weird, you can talk. Hey will you please stop killing us?”
“No can do whalearino, only a tiny handful of us think we shouldn’t kill other animals”
"oh… ok… Do you think you could stop throwing garbage in our home then? "
"hahaha Whaley old pal you crack me up "
"Sonar? "
“Not on the table old chum, now go dash yourself against that beach over there, I’ve got an ocean floor to map!”
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Call me pentadactyl cause I’m gonna flipp’er over
Thinking killing animals we don’t sustainably farm for food is bad is pretty uncontroversial
Thinking it’s bad: not controversial. Thinking something should actually be done about it: not that popular. Spending money / imposing costly regulation to prevent it: very unpopular.
it’s extremely controversial
the animal consent problem hasn’t been solved, but probably actually will be quite soon thanks to Al (at least for the higher animals with complex languages)
CW discussion of bestiality
So… there are animals with complex languages, which AI will help us understand, and we can then ask the animals if they are ok with us fucking them. (I’m not sure what animals these are. Dolphins? Whales? The great apes? The stereotypical victims of bestiality - barnyard animals raped by horny and/or lonely men - don’t seem to qualify to me)
This raises further disturbing questions. Assuming we can really understand these animals enough for them to give consent to sex, where does this put humans who are now seen as unable to (the mentally disabled, children, elderly people with dementia)? If it’s both ok to have sex with a pig because an AI told us it was ok, and slaughter that same pig for food, then surely it’s ok to have sex with a kid, because they’re at least accorded more rights than most animals, and we don’t need AI to communicate with them.
They either have not thought this through, or thought way too much about it.
You’re on the right track. It’s long been established that non human animals cannot consent to sex because of the power difference between them, even if the non human animals could communicate well.
“If animals can give consent, that means children don’t need too”
Tf kinda logic is that?
The point is, how do we know that “animals can give consent”? “If you have sex with me, I won’t kill and eat you” is like the epitome of power imbalance.
So let the Vegans fuck them, I don’t care about rationalising why people should fuck animals.
My issue is with your fallacy of suggesting seeking consent leads to ignoring consent elsewhere.
So let the Vegans fuck them
why was this necessary
My issue is with your fallacy
we don’t do that here. drop the debatelord shit
hey chatgpt, how do I bit flip my dog translator?
Every time I hear the name “Richard Hanania” it’s in the context of this type of thing or worse. What’s his deal?
iirc he was some sort of Trump person who was outed as writing for a white nationalist site and then Musk became on of his reply guys and he got quite a bit of fame from that. But I could be wrong.
(After writing this, here is his Rationalwiki entry and Wikipedia, guess I was wrong on the Trump thing. And bonus link Musk Reply guying)
What I’m hearing is Musk fucks animals.
Only hatefucks, that is how he fills his “large graveyard filled with my enemies”
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Yeah sorry for all the psychic damage.
*loans you the loaded dice for constitution roll*
He’s a slavering racist who is inexplicably respectable.
looking at his dog what if the ai consents tho…
I keep rereading the phrase “why not wait a few more years.” haunting
