I’m not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all
But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don’t think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i’m not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?
What damage has this sub done?
They help shut down bigoted and hateful communities. Sounds good.
Buuut they’re biased. Anything that’s pro-ccp, pro-stalin, or even pro-holodomor is politely ignored by them. Likewise, they also operate racist subreddits towards white ethnic groups and encourage self-harm and suicide for vulnerable men.
There are also rumours of AHS posting ToS-violating content on subs they dislike, such as CP. Of course these don’t have much substance aside from the fact that AHS previously trolled The_Donald by “leaking” a false document to The_Donald mod-team (meaning posting false content on other subs is something they have done).
> Buuut they’re biased. Anything that’s pro-ccp, pro-stalin, or even pro-holodomor is politely ignored by them
I was able to find these couple links on the first few page of AHS, so I’m not sure how true that is.
https://old.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/13wfkdp/rcommunismmemes_once_again_denying_genocide_with/
https://old.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/13mb194/disgusting_meme_on_rcommunismmemes_glorifying_the/
https://old.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/zwo9u8/rcommunismmemes_glorifies_the_sovietsponsored/
https://old.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/116lvi4/rgenzutin_posts_meme_accusing_drag_performers_of/
https://old.reddit.com/r/AgainstHateSubreddits/comments/142xsv3/network_of_proccp_subs_particularly_rthedeprogram/
Besides, following this to it’s conclusion, if we are going to ban mods for doing damage to reddit (being biased), every subreddit would need to get nuked because everybody has biases.
> Likewise, they also operate racist subreddits towards white ethnic groups and encourage self-harm and suicide for vulnerable men.
What is the evidence for this?
> There are also rumours of AHS posting ToS-violating content on subs they dislike, such as CP.
I’m looking for more than just rumors.
> AHS previously trolled The_Donald by “leaking” a false document
Do you have a source for this?
AgainstHateSubreddits deem anything and everything they don’t agree with a hate sub. For example, they’ve bunched communities like /r/SubredditCancer and /r/WatchRedditDie in the same group as places like /r/The_Donald, /r/TheRedPill, /r/KotakuInAction and other communities whose names I won’t state here, as they contain racial slurs. They’re also the reason why SRC was banned and WRD all but abandoned the site.
Some have also accused them of being agent provocateurs who infiltrate subs they don’t like and post rule-breaking content (a bit like how law enforcement have been known to infiltrate and escalate peaceful protests into violence), but there’s little to no evidence of this. I wouldn’t put it past them though…
They are also the mods who think it’s fine to run bots that trawl through any controversial sub and automatically ban anybody for even participating in these communities. It’s the kind of crap that has turned Reddit into a partisan hellhole and not the bastion of open discussion that was originally envisioned.
As for ShitRedditSays, I agree with their overall message that there is a lot of problematic content on Reddit, and I completely agree that Reddit should have taken action against legal grey-area subs far sooner and ditched their laissez-faire approach to content moderation, but I don’t agree with the methods they’ve used to get their message across.
Can’t find the specific Reddit comment but Yishan Wong (Reddit’s former CEO) has gone on record to say that that they were at one point doxxing and harassing Reddit employees, yet nobody on the team had the nerve to actually ban them from the site.
Also, Violentacrez. Dude was a creep who served as a gatekeeper for some of the most morally decrepit communities on the site. I completely agree that he needed to go but not with how he was basically doxxed. I mean Adrian Chen remains the only Reddit user to dox another user and not be banned for it.
> AgainstHateSubreddits deem anything and everything they don’t agree with a hate sub.
Isn’t that kinda the purpose of the subreddit by definition? The things they disagree with is bigotry, so I don’t see why it’s a surprise that the things they call out are things they disagree with.
But even if I did agree with you here, them being wrong about something doesn’t automatically mean that they’re doing damage.
> but there’s little to no evidence of this. I wouldn’t put it past them though…
If there is little to no evidence, why bring it up?
> It’s the kind of crap that has turned Reddit into a partisan hellhole and not the bastion of open discussion that was originally envisioned.
Is them doing that really the cause? Because it seems that political polarization is happening everywhere online.
> Can’t find the specific Reddit comment but Yishan Wong (Reddit’s former CEO) has gone on record to say that that they were at one point doxxing and harassing Reddit employees, yet nobody on the team had the nerve to actually ban them from the site.
I tend not to put too much belief into the word of reddit admins. Just look at the current drama between /u/spez and the Apollo dev Christian.
> I completely agree that he needed to go but not with how he was basically doxxed
Did this actually have anything to do with /r/againsthatesubreddits, or their mods?
There is a huge difference between hate speech and calling out Reddit’s most prolific moderators for going on a power trip, especially when a lot of the bans posted on SRC were honestly unjustified.
Because it’s a tactic commonly used by law enforcement and something AHS are commonly accused of. They’re also in cahoots with the admins, and a lot of people distrust the site’s admins.
It definitely started with them, and it’s unfortunately also the same tactics that right-wing subreddits like /r/conservative and /r/the_donald adopted. Critical thinking is anathema in modern Reddit.
I dunno, I’d consider Yishan far more trustworthy than Spez or kn0thing. The former is looking to monetize the fuck out of Reddit while Alexis is a man of no principles who obviously left his position because his wife finally put her foot down and told him to stop giving hate speech a platform.
Nothing to do with AHS, but definitely everything to do with /r/ShitRedditSays.