I’m not trying to convince anyone to go back i promise, quite the contrary actually cause I think spez plans to just decrease the cost of the API and act like it was a bargain deal sacrifice while not solving any of the issues at all

But, when I think about it even if spez did actually listen and reverse all changes I don’t think i want to go back to Reddit cause from what Ive seen Lemmy is just friendlier and less :Be Corporate Friendly: I would honestly love it if Lemmy did a project like r/place one of these days so we could see what the internet is actually like instead of what happened in 2022 (I really did enjoy what a bunch of communities did but when the mods started abusing their powers to make it corporate r/place lost so much meaning) but i am curious since i’m not going back is there anything Reddit can do to make you go back to Reddit?

  •  mobiuscoffee   ( @mobiuscoffee@sh.itjust.works ) 
    100•1 year ago

    I think many people were looking for a reason to leave but kind of felt stuck seeing all the alternatives being either dead or abrasive.

    Lemmy seems to have captured the soul of what a significant portion of people have already been looking for.

  •  setsneedtofeed   ( @setsneedtofeed@beehaw.org ) 
    59•1 year ago

    A week ago: Bring down the API costs. I’d have begrudgingly accepted paying a few extra bucks a year for Apollo Ultra.

    Today: Nothing. Reddit admins acted like smug children in the face of the Apollo Dev’s good faith questions, then the CEO and admins pulled the stunt of trying to act like the dev threatened them. Then the CEO doubled down on that story in the sham AMA. I don’t want to feed that machine anymore.

    I have edited and then deleted all my posts and comments except for a few final ones that will go soon. I will keep the account but only as a point of contact for some people until I get them all contacting my email instead.

  •  Sunspot   ( @Sunspot@beehaw.org ) 
    52•1 year ago

    I’ve only been here for a day, but the lack of homophobia and transphobia here compared to Reddit has been a breath of fresh air. I’m not afraid of posting here like I was on Reddit, where I’d actually have to debate with myself for a minute or two before posting. It’s like finally leaving a bad relationship; now I’m starting to see how bad that all was for my mental health.

    •  Dessalines   ( @dessalines@lemmy.ml ) 
      33•1 year ago

      Use the report button if you see any of that too, we will not tolerate it here.

      Reddit thrives off of letting homophobes and transpbobes ruin everyone’s day, because it drives up their engagement numbers. We aren’t going to allow that here.

      •  Sunspot   ( @Sunspot@beehaw.org ) 
        10•1 year ago

        That’s a real relief to me. I see enough of that living in a very red town in a red state. Online communities are one of my only ways to talk to people who don’t want me gone.

      •  Arystique   ( @Arystique@beehaw.org ) OP
        6•1 year ago

        This is so relieving tbh its mindboggling to me why all these massive sites never took a stance against homophobes/racists/transphobes like this. its been proven to hurt profits when hate is allowed on any site as people dont like being abused like i swear it cant just be that the CEOs were complacent although its sadly a dumb enough reason to be true.

        Also been loving your app Dessalines its been great so far :D (if you tab out of the screen while writing though it does delete text but that aint a real issue though lol)

    •  jmp242   ( @jmp242@sopuli.xyz ) 
      7•1 year ago

      It’s so interesting to me to hear things like this, because I have to guess you’re in completely different subs than I was / am in. I never saw anything like that, but I also don’t recall seeing very much “cesspool” on reddit either. Of course, I only went to 4 subs regularly and a total of maybe 15 ever?

      Which is kind of the hard part for lemmy is the “niche” stuff (like photography is much smaller here, and the main photo sub is like one or two pics per day, so we really need something like ITAP or photocritique), multitools, etc.

      •  Sunspot   ( @Sunspot@beehaw.org ) 
        7•1 year ago

        The worst of it, by far, is of course the front page. But some of the subs I can think of off the top of my head where I encountered trans or homophobia are r/Science and even r/Pathfinder2e (if you know anything about the Pathfinder universe, this might seem mind boggling). There was pro LGBTQ+ support in many of these subreddits, but there was always a comment or a debate or whatever in every queer related thread.

        The subreddit for the state I live in, while generally supportive, has numerous comments debating my right to exist as a queer person in most threads even vaguely LGBT related. It’s frustrating knowing I could basically only find refuge in LGBT subreddits. Everywhere else, there was always someone making a jab or starting an argument. It’s exhausting.

        •  jmp242   ( @jmp242@sopuli.xyz ) 
          3•1 year ago

          Wow - I’m so glad I never got into the front page at all, or looked for subs based on location. I always thought that was a Facebook thing (and I don’t use facebook). I suppose the only place I would have seen anything like that was in changemyview which is where you go to have an argument anyway.

          •  Sunspot   ( @Sunspot@beehaw.org ) 
            2•1 year ago

            I joined my state’s subreddit to keep an eye on local happenings. Our news outlets aren’t the best, so it was a good way to hear what was going on. For the most part, it was a good community. But there was always a handful of people who had to argue equal rights every time it came up and it was disheartening to see the same hate every single time.

            Apparently I should get into photography, because your experience on Reddit sounds so chill! LOL

            •  jmp242   ( @jmp242@sopuli.xyz ) 
              2•1 year ago

              Well, we just argue a lot about sensor size / format, is Canon or Sony better and how many thousands of dollars we spent on cameras and lenses. Many people have opinions. I guess it’s not attacking anyone’s identity, unless you think Sony Fanboy is a critical part of your person. Kind of like the IT OS wars lol.

              But yes, that and like multitools - we’re arguing about Victorianox vs Leatherman… These sorts of subs are pretty chill, and not a lot of drama that I can remember. I think things that are about something you’re a fan of, rather than location or very broad seem to be a lot better experience on reddit. And sadly, these are the communities I mostly access on my phone via RedReader and that I either would be spamming or just confusing many members if I said come on over to the lemmyverse. There are some standalone forums from long ago though that still run, so I might have to go over there if I care enough.

              •  Sunspot   ( @Sunspot@beehaw.org ) 
                3•1 year ago

                I’m all for a good debate. I frequented the technology subreddits since they’re related to my work and I love a good OS or language debate. I’ve learned a lot from hearing other people’s arguments. So that all sounds like friendly banter to me!

                I do think the smaller the subreddit, the safer you are. Most of my best experiences are in those subreddits. I just found myself wishing I could explore Reddit a bit more without walking away bummed out by all the hate. It’s hard finding a good subreddit.

                •  jmp242   ( @jmp242@sopuli.xyz ) 
                  2•1 year ago

                  I can imagine that - I just never really felt the need to explore reddit, which might be my loss, and also why I don’t get a lot of “how reddit is”. I’m painfully out of touch for being so online (never did facebook or twitter at all), and really prefer stuff that is open…

                  So I’m aware I have a weird view of the online world - but I guess it’s also why I’m incensed about killing third party apps. I hate the change away from protocols where you could choose how you interacted with the net to products where the UI changes on a whim, usually for the worse, and you’re “running in place” just to do today what you did yesterday. What pisses me off the most is there’s no reason the world needs to be this way - Companies sold new cars every year without swapping around the pedals ever other year. Most home improvements are improvements but aren’t changing the UI for the house. LED bulbs don’t actually require an app for instance. We’ve had chainsaws for decades and even the electric ones work the same way and look about the same.

                  I don’t know why computers and the net can’t be like that. Why can’t I use Thunderbird or Vivaldi while you use Outlook and Firefox but we aren’t cutting each other off? This is why I like the fediverse. It’s why I liked IRC, and e-mail. It’s one of my main reservations about even otherwise good tools like Signal.

                  And it’s not like usenet providers or e-mail servers don’t make money. But back to my main point that people won’t pay for access, though I think if we went back to something more like usenet where you paid for “all the groups” rather than on a per site / per forum basic might work or again get bundled with your ISP like email and usenet were.

    •  SuitedUpDev   ( @SuitedUpDev@feddit.nl ) 
      5•1 year ago

      For me, you are perfectly describing my move from Twitter to Mastodon. It was such a relief and I am currently in a much better headspace. All because I moved to Mastodon.

      You deserve some good internet points!

      •  Sunspot   ( @Sunspot@beehaw.org ) 
        3•1 year ago

        Oh geez. Twitter is such a nightmare. I had to quit last year when things started getting bad. I haven’t dipped my toes in Mastodon. Has your experience been much more positive? I’m scared I’ll end up stuck in a bad server!

        •  SuitedUpDev   ( @SuitedUpDev@feddit.nl ) 
          5•1 year ago

          I’ve been on Twitter since '09, so I’ve seen a few things ;-)

          But, I friggin’ love it! The people I follow (and follow me back) on Mastodon, are super chill. It’s like S-tier! It truely is.

          If you are worried about being stuck on a bad server. Mastodon nowadays has a “covenant” which basically revolves around the following points;

          1. Active moderation against racism, sexism, homophobia and transphobia.
          2. Daily backups
          3. At least one other person with emergency access to the server infrastructure
          4. Commitment to give users at least 3 months of advance warning in case of shutting down

          So as long as you pick one of the servers there, you are pretty much golden. The server list can be found here: https://joinmastodon.org/servers

          I am on mastodon.online (one of the servers by Mastodon itself) which has been a blast, but I can also vouch for mstdn.social. The admin of mstdn.social, “Stux” is a super great guy!

            •  SuitedUpDev   ( @SuitedUpDev@feddit.nl ) 
              2•1 year ago

              Actually, as long as the Mastodon and Lemmy servers are federated with each other, you can access Lemmy from Mastodon (and the other way around). If they aren’t federated yet, you can ‘force’ that federation by visiting a community via the search engine. That should start the whole federation process, unless of course either one of the servers has decided to ‘defederate’ with the other server.

              But in Mastodon you can use @community@server in the searchbar, and you will see all the responses on Mastodon. So for example, @lemmy@lemmy.ml or @Technology@beehaw.org.

                •  SuitedUpDev   ( @SuitedUpDev@feddit.nl ) English
                  2•1 year ago

                  Federation is always done on instance level. What I mean by that is being able to communicate between instance A and instance B. Whether or not data is actually being shared from instance A to instance B depends a user on instance A is subscribed to a community on instance B (or vice versa).

                  I hope that clears up a few things :)

          •  Sunspot   ( @Sunspot@beehaw.org ) 
            2•1 year ago

            That’s a relief to hear. There’s been a Twitter shaped hole in my heart since I quit. I think I’d been a Twitter user since my freshman year of college and I’m in my 30s now. LOL

            You’ve convinced me to give Mastodon a chance! Thank you for your reassurance. It really does sound like what Twitter should have been.

            •  SuitedUpDev   ( @SuitedUpDev@feddit.nl ) 
              2•1 year ago

              I can completely understand that hole in your heart ;-) You’ve basically been on Twitter as long as I was. LOL.

              You’ve convinced me to give Mastodon a chance! Thank you for your reassurance. It really does sound like what Twitter should have been.

              It really is and you are welcome! 😊

          •  MyNameIsFred   ( @fred@beehaw.org ) 
            1•1 year ago

            This would be huge. The first instance I joined on lemmy has been down now for a few days. Don’t even know how to reach the guy that runs it. It was not some super small one based on the site recs at the time.

            I’m a sysadmin by trade and considered just building my own but don’t have the time to solo run it should it gain traction

            •  SuitedUpDev   ( @SuitedUpDev@feddit.nl ) 
              1•1 year ago

              Yeah! I can also imagine Lemmy introducing something like that. As a somewhat ‘soft’ endorsement of a particular server.

              I think setting baselines like that, would improve servers a lot and sets out standards within communities.

  •  charlytune   ( @charlytune@mander.xyz ) 
    35•1 year ago

    Honestly, I feel like my time with Reddit is done now. You know how when someone breaks up with you and you’re in shock that it’s over but then you start reflecting and realising everything that was wrong with the relationship? That. I feel like Lemmy, and the fediverse, is a really interesting alternative way of doing things, I’m not the most tech savvy (or the least) and at nearly 50 it’s a bit harder for me to pick up new concepts than it was 20 years ago, but I’ll get the hang of it, and I actually think that this will end up being a positive change for me. There is so much wrong with the corporatisation of the internet, and this does feel like a viable and genuine alternative to that.

  •  KoboldCoterie   ( @KoboldCoterie@pawb.social ) 
    34•1 year ago

    I think they’ve made it clear that even if they backpedal now, they’re just testing the waters to see how much bullshit they can get away with and they’re going to do the absolute most they can… Even if they completely took a 180 and said they were keeping the API entirely free, I’d still be gone.

    I always found it hard to engage with larger Reddit communities anyway; Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole are much closer to what I wanted from Reddit but couldn’t get, so I’m here to stay no matter what happens. Fuck them.

    •  myk   ( @myk@beehaw.org ) English
      5•1 year ago

      I think one of the issues for me is they’ve revealed in their pricing exactly how much value they think there is in all the content we have created over the years for free.

      Someone suggested that their immediate business plan is to fleece all the AI developers looking at that rich history as training data for their new models. It may well be that spez and co are hoping to have a couple of crazy years of taking that cash and then bail out to leave the ruins of Reddit to the spammers, haters and bots.

  •  x-ray   ( @x-ray@kbin.social ) 
    33•1 year ago

    It’s hard to say. A change in management maybe? Reddit has already gotten worse in recent years, but with betrayal of developers and users with the API, the way Spez intentionally lied about Apollo’s developer to the public, and with the upcoming IPO, I don’t see how things will get any better. It sucks because a lot of the information and utility Reddit has, I don’t know where to find elsewhere.

    That being said, I’ve grown extremely tired of how the internet has seemed to have gotten worse and worse over the past 7-10 years. To me, this decentralization/fediverse is exciting because it seems like it has the possibility of making the internet feel freeing, fun, and human again.

  •  sprocket   ( @sprocket@sh.itjust.works ) 
    29•1 year ago

    Reverse API changes, fire Spez, and sticky an apology to the frontpage.

    But even if they did that, I’m not going back 😂

    I’ve been tired of reddit for a while, too many bots, too many bad mods, too many psychos and trolls. Basically, it’s just too crowded. It’s nothing like it was when I joined in 2010. The spirit of the site died a long time ago and you can’t get it back.

  •  this   ( @this@sh.itjust.works ) 
    28•1 year ago

    u/spez fired, paid API policy reversed, NSFW policy change reversed, public apology to christian and all reddit users promoting lemmy who got banned + compensation for defamation, all decisions regarding site administration and API policy permanently democratized, so that this shit never happens again, make the whole thing open source.

    I don’t expect a single thing on my list to happen, but everything on that list would have to happen before I considered returning.

  •  silentTeee   ( @silentTeee@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
    26•11 months ago

    As someone who really only went on Reddit for memes and techie discussions, I think I can say this: for my use-case, there was nothing special about Reddit itself. In fact, one thing I have realized is just how little the nature of the host matters beyond ease of use. Sure, certain formats lend themselves better to certain use-cases, but ultimately humans are social creatures, and even in the most inconvenient of circumstances, we find a way to make it work.

    And once you realize that, it becomes less about the medium, and more about the people who lead the discourse. From what I can gather, Reddit lost that discourse a long time ago. And as such, their downfall was only a matter of time.

  •  chrislenz   ( @chrislenz@beehaw.org ) 
    26•1 year ago

    Today’s AMA was something else. I honestly don’t know how a founder of reddit doesn’t understand reddit users.

    I really like/liked reddit. I’ve been on it since digg v4 happened. Rif dies, I’m done using reddit on my phone. I’m not installing their app. If old dies, then I’m completely done with reddit. I’m not using new. Chances are I’ll use reddit less and less anyway though.

  •  Dingo Fan   ( @DingoFan@beehaw.org ) 
    24•1 year ago

    It won’t happen. Reddit is dying. The culture has had a massive shift and you simply don’t recover from that. When they have their IPO it will be very telling.

    But based on this fiasco, any sane investor would have some serious reservations about the leadership of Reddit but its future in the social networking space.

    They pissed off a LOT of people, and those people are the ones that create all of the content.

    But look across the social media spectrum. FB, Twitter, Reddit. All of them are just tanking.

    We are on the precipice of a big paradigm shift in how we communicate with one another online.