• Logic only proves something based on the starting axioms. People more often than not think based on a logical framework, but often with axioms and heuristics that differ from our own usually based on who and what they trust, what benefit they’d like and how much for they need to use to get it, and who they see as their ingroup and outgroup. People often think in terms of these kinds of relationships to maximize internal goals and benefits and minimize loss and repulsion.

        As much as I would love if everyone could be on the same page and do their own thing, people’s desires naturally conflict especially when there is scarcity or someone feels backed into a corner.

        • Yup, I used to fall into the dumb ‘fax and logic’ hole myself. It’s funny how easy it is to ignore where your axioms come from.

          I got into a knock-down drag-out argument recently with someone who couldn’t separate that while there were objective measures by which their assertion scored highest, choosing which objective measures practically make something right or wrong is entirely subjective and context-dependent.