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Spectre ( Confidant6198@lemmy.ml )  to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

Communism in theory vs in practice

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Communism in theory vs in practice

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Spectre ( Confidant6198@lemmy.ml )  to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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    Yes, exactly! For all the noxious effects of greed, it drives competition which drives evolution.

    Even if a utopian communist/anarchist society were able to stabilize on its own, it would inevitably be overcome at some point in the future by a more competitive society that had martially evolved beyond the utopia’s understanding.

    Whether its right or wrong has no bearing on the entropy of it.

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      To the contrary, competition eliminates its own existence, eventually all markets will coalesce into large trusts that can be publicly owned and planned.

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        Well, competition has been going pretty strong for the last four billion years; time will tell.

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          Not exactly, it’s increasingly disappearing in favor of monopoly.

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            The health of the current system is undenianly declining, absolutely. But competition is eternal and non-optional, so systems that seek to eliminate it are intrinsically doomed.

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              Competition can’t be eternal, otherwise monopoly wouldn’t exist.

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                Just because competition can be suppressed temporarily within a discrete system doesn’t mean it has ceased to exist. Exactly why ideologies that demand the absence of competition will eventually be outcompeted from the outside.

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                  It’s not about being temporary, production becomes so complicated and wide-reaching that it must become planned and publicly owned.

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      Marxists are anything but utopian, and I think you’ve bought into the just-so stories of bourgeois ideologues like von Mises, Hayek, Rothbart, and Greenspan.

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