The natural next place for people to go to once they can’t block ads on YouTube’s website is to go to services that exploit the API scrape the website to serve free content (NewPipe, Invidious, youtube-dl, etc.). If that happens at a large scale, YouTube might shut off its API just like Reddit did serve lawsuits against them in a similar way to Reddit shutting off API access and we’ll end up in scenario where creators are forced to move to Peertube, and, given how costly hosting is for video streaming, it could be much worse than Reddit->Lemmy+KBin or Twitter->Mastodon. Then again, YouTube has survived enshittiffication for a long time, so we’ll have to wait and see.
The thing is, none of the services you listed use YouTube’s API. They scrape the data directly from the page. YouTube can’t really do much against it. They’re apparently currently trying to shut down Invidious, though I’m not sure how they’re planning to do that considering Invidious is open-source, meaning anyone can develop and host it.
Unfortunately in this case google play protect scans what apps you have installed on your phone by default if you have an android phone and have logged into the play store.
IOS users should be unaffected by that as well as de-googled android users.
The vast majority of people that watch youtube, are most likely not using an ad block and won’t be affected by this at all. Just like the vast majority of reddit users use the official app, and the vast majority of people on twitter stayed.
It will take a lot more than this to make something else the next big thing. Just like lemmy is nowhere near as popular as reddit, mastadon is nowhere near as popular as twitter. Yes those of us technical enough or that care enough will use an ad block or similar, but we are in the minority, and always will be.
According to the latest estimates, the ad blocking user penetration rate in the United States stood at approximately 26 percent in 2020, indicating that roughly 73 million internet users had installed some form of ad blocking software, plugin, or browser on their web-enabled devices that year.
In YouTube’s case, I don’t think peertube can beat YouTube.
The vast majority of content is content made by people who do it for a living. The monetization scheme is exactly why YouTube got so big - they make videos and the ad revenue pays them for running ads on those videos.
Even if creators have sponsorships and patreons, there’s no way they’d choose a platform that they have to pay to keep running over one that pays them to upload their content. It doesn’t make any business sense. - video is exponentially more expensive to store and process than pictures and text.
On top of that, peertube only has discoverability through word of mouth. There’s no central recommendations page or anything to even give creators a chance at growing. The only discoverability they’ll have is word of mouth and xposting/boosting on mastodon Lemmy and other webisites.
The only way it would become remotely viable is either
some kind of advertising scheme (which isn’t really in the spirit of fedi, as it gives big advertising companies power over peertube instances that decide to do it)
some form of global patreon with a revenue split - essentially the server owner takes the money required to keep it running and then the creators fight over the rest. And most likely, if the instance gets popular, the costs of serving that video could possibly leave next to nothing for the creator - it might be mitigated by inter-instance video caching, but it’s still not ideal - especially considering a large amount of traffic would go to mastodon and lemmy instances which won’t or can’t cache the video.
I like the idea of peertube, but I think it’s only really viable for short clips that are uploaded specifically for Lemmy and mastodon use - in other words, users who aren’t planning to make money off of the videos.
I only use peertube for one specific streamer since his vods get deleted on twitch eventually and he makes his money streaming and from patreon anyway. I think it’s doable if the content creators agree to do this as backups for their streams, but they definitely need to have an alternate source of income, it’s not a yt replacement.
This one would be a true test for sure, while PeerTube try to address the bandwidth issue by utilizing bit torrent protocol, it still challenging. One idea I can envision is that when PeerTube see videos that are sufficiently popular, it can decide to reduce server bandwidth for it since users are likely sharing bandwidth with each others and reallocate it for the less watched video.
I think any European country that offer unmetered connectivity is going to find itself becoming the hub for video sites.
The natural next place for people to go to once they can’t block ads on YouTube’s website is to go to services that
exploit the APIscrape the website to serve free content (NewPipe, Invidious, youtube-dl, etc.). If that happens at a large scale, YouTube mightshut off its API just like Reddit didserve lawsuits against them in a similar way to Reddit shutting off API access and we’ll end up in scenario where creators are forced to move to Peertube, and, given how costly hosting is for video streaming, it could be much worse than Reddit->Lemmy+KBin or Twitter->Mastodon. Then again, YouTube has survived enshittiffication for a long time, so we’ll have to wait and see.The thing is, none of the services you listed use YouTube’s API. They scrape the data directly from the page. YouTube can’t really do much against it. They’re apparently currently trying to shut down Invidious, though I’m not sure how they’re planning to do that considering Invidious is open-source, meaning anyone can develop and host it.
My bad you are correct I’m just talking out of my ass
The apps you mentioned are scraping or pretending to be the official app.
The official API doesn’t have public methods to build an alternative third party player .
The only way YouTube can stop those apps (beside blackmailing devs with legal letters) is to shut down both their own website and their own app
They can ban google accounts of people who use those apps though. I can see them doing it.
i dont need to log in to them they wouldnt know my account
Unfortunately in this case google play protect scans what apps you have installed on your phone by default if you have an android phone and have logged into the play store.
IOS users should be unaffected by that as well as de-googled android users.
The vast majority of people that watch youtube, are most likely not using an ad block and won’t be affected by this at all. Just like the vast majority of reddit users use the official app, and the vast majority of people on twitter stayed.
It will take a lot more than this to make something else the next big thing. Just like lemmy is nowhere near as popular as reddit, mastadon is nowhere near as popular as twitter. Yes those of us technical enough or that care enough will use an ad block or similar, but we are in the minority, and always will be.
https://www.statista.com/topics/3201/ad-blocking/
Sounds like will affect 1/4 of youtube users. I highly doubt google would be doing this if it wasn’t getting in the way of making more money.
Damn that is depressing, only 26%? Need to pump those numbers up…
In YouTube’s case, I don’t think peertube can beat YouTube.
The vast majority of content is content made by people who do it for a living. The monetization scheme is exactly why YouTube got so big - they make videos and the ad revenue pays them for running ads on those videos.
Even if creators have sponsorships and patreons, there’s no way they’d choose a platform that they have to pay to keep running over one that pays them to upload their content. It doesn’t make any business sense. - video is exponentially more expensive to store and process than pictures and text.
On top of that, peertube only has discoverability through word of mouth. There’s no central recommendations page or anything to even give creators a chance at growing. The only discoverability they’ll have is word of mouth and xposting/boosting on mastodon Lemmy and other webisites.
The only way it would become remotely viable is either
some kind of advertising scheme (which isn’t really in the spirit of fedi, as it gives big advertising companies power over peertube instances that decide to do it)
some form of global patreon with a revenue split - essentially the server owner takes the money required to keep it running and then the creators fight over the rest. And most likely, if the instance gets popular, the costs of serving that video could possibly leave next to nothing for the creator - it might be mitigated by inter-instance video caching, but it’s still not ideal - especially considering a large amount of traffic would go to mastodon and lemmy instances which won’t or can’t cache the video.
I like the idea of peertube, but I think it’s only really viable for short clips that are uploaded specifically for Lemmy and mastodon use - in other words, users who aren’t planning to make money off of the videos.
I only use peertube for one specific streamer since his vods get deleted on twitch eventually and he makes his money streaming and from patreon anyway. I think it’s doable if the content creators agree to do this as backups for their streams, but they definitely need to have an alternate source of income, it’s not a yt replacement.
This one would be a true test for sure, while PeerTube try to address the bandwidth issue by utilizing bit torrent protocol, it still challenging. One idea I can envision is that when PeerTube see videos that are sufficiently popular, it can decide to reduce server bandwidth for it since users are likely sharing bandwidth with each others and reallocate it for the less watched video.
I think any European country that offer unmetered connectivity is going to find itself becoming the hub for video sites.