This is exactly my point. China is authoritarian and has commited war crimes against people who it doesnt’t like. It also arrests journalists as enemies of the state.
I’m not saying the west is completely perfect but China is much worse
Anti-authoritarian communism is a thing. I think mostly the issue folks here in this thread are taking with you is equating communism with authoritarianism. And I don’t think anyone in this thread is pro-China or defending censoring content critical of China. Quite the opposite in fact.
But communism doesn’t work. All countries that implement communism have restrictions on free speech to hide the fact that it is a broken system.
The reason communism doesn’t work is because people have no incentives to work. You can complain about the evils of the corporate empires but they at least have a motivation to improve even if that is sometimes at the expense of the people
Let me just jump in real quick and provide some info without supporting any side.
You’re referring to the authoritarian communism, and yes, none of it worked, and again yes, it’s the only one that really happened in our history.
What you’re missing is that the other person is referring to the lower left quadrant of the political compass, or libertarian socialist quadrant. And no, libertarian is referring here to the lack of or very week and non focused (with a lot of people in it) government.
For a great breakdown of the political compass I recommend Wendigoon’s video on the topic.
That’s all I’m gonna say here, have a pleasant day and a good watch if you do decide to click on that link.
I don’t mean to be rude, but in your comments in this thread you’re making a lot of arguments that don’t really make sense. It’s fine not to know much about a subject but the argument “no one has incentive to work in communism” is just a lazy anti communist argument from the 1950s. Some questions you might want to think about: What motivated people to work in pre-capitalist societies? Does capitalism “motivate” people to work or force them to sell their labour to survive? Do you consider capitalism to be a “natural” state of societal existence and if so, why?
This is exactly my point. China is authoritarian and has commited war crimes against people who it doesnt’t like. It also arrests journalists as enemies of the state.
I’m not saying the west is completely perfect but China is much worse
Anti-authoritarian communism is a thing. I think mostly the issue folks here in this thread are taking with you is equating communism with authoritarianism. And I don’t think anyone in this thread is pro-China or defending censoring content critical of China. Quite the opposite in fact.
But communism doesn’t work. All countries that implement communism have restrictions on free speech to hide the fact that it is a broken system.
The reason communism doesn’t work is because people have no incentives to work. You can complain about the evils of the corporate empires but they at least have a motivation to improve even if that is sometimes at the expense of the people
Let me just jump in real quick and provide some info without supporting any side. You’re referring to the authoritarian communism, and yes, none of it worked, and again yes, it’s the only one that really happened in our history.
What you’re missing is that the other person is referring to the lower left quadrant of the political compass, or libertarian socialist quadrant. And no, libertarian is referring here to the lack of or very week and non focused (with a lot of people in it) government.
For a great breakdown of the political compass I recommend Wendigoon’s video on the topic. That’s all I’m gonna say here, have a pleasant day and a good watch if you do decide to click on that link.
I don’t mean to be rude, but in your comments in this thread you’re making a lot of arguments that don’t really make sense. It’s fine not to know much about a subject but the argument “no one has incentive to work in communism” is just a lazy anti communist argument from the 1950s. Some questions you might want to think about: What motivated people to work in pre-capitalist societies? Does capitalism “motivate” people to work or force them to sell their labour to survive? Do you consider capitalism to be a “natural” state of societal existence and if so, why?