we already collectively dislike a substantial number of 0.18+'s UI decisions, most of which are minor but are already adding up to be that much more annoying collectively. maybe we can sand some of these off with theming in the future. for now though please hang with this and petition them to merge better decisions in the future, thanks
if lemmy can’t handle us personally saying we dislike a significant number of the software-wide UI choices made by 0.18+, an upgrade that mind you we can’t go back on, i feel like that speaks to a much less healthy ecosystem than this post. in any case, they’re busy, we’re busy, and most of the fixes we want aren’t in the pipeline at all because they’re administrative in nature, not cosmetic.
If, they can’t, should Beehaw plan to fall out with them and lose the ability to be heard about our concerns for the direction of development, or to try to be diplomatic and foster a good working relationship that doesn’t hurt their feelings whether we think it is legitimate for them to be that sensitive or not?
I think the latter would be far more productive and in better alignment with the ideals of project. The former seems needlessly antagonistic.
As I said elsewhere, I think it’s completely valid for you (and other people involved in Beehaw’s administration) to be frustrated by problems that occur because of upstream decisions and to want to share and process those feelings with your peers. I’m not sure that this is the best context and way to do so.
There’s two separate things going on here. There’s your feelings as an individual trying to work with this frustrating situation and there’s the Beehaw admin’s responding to that situation and trying to mitigate it now and influence it to improve in the future. I think both those things are important but that it’s difficult to balance the one against the other effectively.
if they can’t handle “wow we don’t like the new UI decisions” and that causes a falling out then i question why we or anyone else would even continue to use their software. in any case though i severely doubt they care. we’ve openly called their political views abhorrent and said we disagree with them in the very context of justifying why we even use their software and are still amicable with them. they’re adults who do this for a living, they’re probably more weirded out by users thinking it’s strange to have admins on this software disagreeing publicly with some of the directions they’ve taken it if anything
Have you guys reached out to the Lemmy developers to give feedback on their new UI changes?
no, lol. if we’re gonna go to them for anything it will not be for cosmetic stuff which we can live with and theme around. we have actual substantial feature requests we’d much rather them do to make administrative function on this software much easier and more powerful than it currently is
Not being able to revert the change is annoying, but can’t you stage these upgrades first? Seems like a good idea to find out if the UI is going to seriously regress before deploying it to every user.
we basically did do that–almost all of the problems here jumped out after we upgraded because we were latecomers to doing so. unfortunately these are essentially one-way decisions–especially 0.17.4 to 0.18±-for both software and practical reasons. the two versions have a bunch of differences that make going back a huge headache (we tried) and our site already didn’t work with a bunch of apps by using 0.17.4, so a lot of people would have to compromise using the site on mobile if we reverted/continued to not upgrade. also all of the 0.18.1 rcs so far have catastrophic bugs which seem to make the site unusable for some people, so that’s not great! overall, that we even got it to this state without losing a bunch of user data is kind of a miracle, and we’re gonna spend most of today trying to sort out all the new problems updating caused that aren’t just cosmetic