we already collectively dislike a substantial number of 0.18+'s UI decisions, most of which are minor but are already adding up to be that much more annoying collectively. maybe we can sand some of these off with theming in the future. for now though please hang with this and petition them to merge better decisions in the future, thanks
That seems like a bit of a needlessly hostile response to someone who was offering constructive criticism and encouraging others to do the same.
Didn’t mean to come off as hostile. I just don’t think it’s quite that bad of a sign to see admins criticizing Lemmy on Lemmy instead of only “on official channels”, like admins aren’t allowed to criticize the platform where us plebs can see it
I actually think it’s more about the nature of the criticism here rather than it’s existence. Do you think that the post provides constructive criticism that encourages active discussion?
I mean you’re not wrong about it not being all that constructive, but I really don’t see much harm in admins venting frustration. They’re regular humans too and it’s understandable they get frustrated with things, it’s probably a bit of a turbulent time for them.
I completely agree with that, but I am concerned that A) if it’s happening in a way that could filter back as “the admins of Beehaw” that may be poor for external relationships and B) in isolation it implies that those admins may not be taking a constructive approach to these issues, which would be obviously be bad.
I’m not sure exactly what the best answer is but I do think it would be good for the admins to think about it a bit and consider the best options for inevitable future circumstances like this.
I suspect that if this post had been one with a more constructive angle but that expressed those personal frustrations in addition to that then it would probably be ok. Unfortunately, when you take on responsibility as administrator for a community you do need to consider how what you do might affect that community and that does lead to feeling more restricted than if you were just a regular user.
I do get where you’re coming from even though I don’t agree. As you said, we’re looking at this post in isolation; I don’t think a random rant about a huge platform update that hasn’t gone terrifically well is indicative of Beehaw admins not being constructive about it in general. It’s still a < v1.0 service after all and there are some huge problems with eg. federation and whatnot that are causing admins and users of all instances nontrivial amounts of hassle.
It’s a bumpy ride and there’s going to be annoyances aplenty, but I do trust that in the end everyone is handling things OK even though annoyances sometimes flare up
Yeah, a more diplomatic wording could probably have preempted the backlash here.
people debating whether it’s constructive are kind of funny to me just because we made this post and then spent two hours after it went up trying to make the site work and to revert our original upgrade to something stable enough people could even post at all. we have substantially bigger grievances at this point than just the UI and basically all of today is already blocked out as “hunt down all the bugs and extremely bad behavior we couldn’t fix last night from what we had to resort to”