we already collectively dislike a substantial number of 0.18+'s UI decisions, most of which are minor but are already adding up to be that much more annoying collectively. maybe we can sand some of these off with theming in the future. for now though please hang with this and petition them to merge better decisions in the future, thanks
This post makes the Beehaw admins look really bad, to be honest. Personally, I had not even really noticed any big differences, so if you hadn’t told me I wouldn’t even know about them. The small differences that I did notice seem like improvements to me.
However, this post seems to be needlessly criticizing the Lemmy devs without any actual constructive feedback. The post is nothing more than “We would like to make you aware that the experience got worse and you SHOULD BLAME the devs!!” to me. It doesn’t help anybody. It just makes you look very unprofessional, entitled and will damage your relation with the Lemmy devs. If you can’t code and improve Lemmy yourself that way, that’s totally fine. Don’t like an update? That fine too! But if you want to be actually helpful and have your voice heard, go to Lemmy’s Github page and give the devs constructive feedback. Report bugs when you run into issues or do a feature request for changes you’d like to see. Enter discussions about other bugs/requests. There are so many things you could do without the need to be a programmer.
But don’t post a vague complaint to your community, pointing fingers and hoping to get more people angry to pressure the devs into what you want. I came to Beehaw because it promised to be a safespace. A positive place. The fact that an admin posted this complaint here doesn’t reflect that idea at all to me.
I really hope you guys can see why this behaviour is not desirable and a one-time thing. Otherwise, I can’t keep supporting Beehaw and would have to leave the instance for another, which would be a shame.
What makes this further interesting is that the lemmy back end and front end are actually two different stacks so theoretically anyone can make a front end to their liking.
How is that interesting?
The front end being decoupled from the backend means updating the server doesn’t require getting a crappier front end experience if someone wants to build a different UI.
I don’t know how that makes the frustration of someone trying to use lemmy as a hub for a community of users interesting.
It’s interesting in its technical aspects.
Assuming good faith needs to go all directions and we’re asking for a little bit of empathy to vent some frustrations when we see them. Not everything we say is with an admin hat on. This is explicitly in the chat community, and it’s specifically titled ‘informal’. We don’t desire to be stuffy and impersonal all the time because then you have no insight into who we are as people or the issues we go through.
Lots of toxic behavior in social media is people venting frustrations. So in that sense what you are doing is not that weird.
Now think about the community you say you want to foster here and the values you say you want uphold.
This should not be Reddit or Twitter, right? We expect better from people, right?
Please, think about the optics, reflect and do not double down, unless you are 100% sure this is the kind of criticism you are ok with having in Beehaw, because is what you are going to get.
Ever since Beehaw defederated from the major instances I’ve noticed less activity here. I much prefer Lemmy.world these days. I feel like the Beehaw admins should have asked for feedback from the community before defederating. Communities live and die through their users.
so much this! creating a community comes first, and if that means people have to put up with a few weird posts here and there, so be it. later on it should be on the users as well to block what they don’t like, not on what’s basically the guys providing the infrastructure. in general, I feel instances are being treated a bit too much like subreddits at the moment.
also, a functioning community is a precarious and precious thing (as I’m sure reddit is finding out right now), and splitting it in two should always be an absolute last resort. choosing that nuclear option without real need is the admin’s right on their own instance of course (even though it makes them more ban-happy than reddit ever was, and they don’t even have any shareholders to keep happy!), but I personally don’t really agree with it still.
I’m assuming you don’t know what you’re writing about when you say “a few weird posts”. Lemmy isn’t ready for what is needed concerning moderation. The vast majority, nearly all Lemmy instances are choosing the only option available to them which is to defederate from other instances. Lemmy.world is doing this as well with no feedback or discussion from users. You’re only noticing it on Beehaw because they decided to value all of its users rather than primarily those unaffected by the malicious actors.