Yes it does work both ways, that’s a misandrist and sexist statement as well. I’m very well aware of what feminism is, I’ve been one my entire life and have studied it in school. My wife is the breadwinner in our family, I have a tattoo paying tribute to Lisbeth Salander (my favourite fictional character) and as a writer have made sure to put strong female characters at the forefront who aren’t reliant on men. I make an effort to support strong female characters in media. All of this despite having an abusive mom who I refused to allow to colour my views of all women.
That you are so dismissive of what I’m probably saying because I’m a man says more about you and where your values lay. You’d rather push people away who likely mostly agree with you because of their gender and your distrust and animosity towards them.
I showed this entire thread to my wife devoid of context and while she could see where you’re coming from, she argued that is not true feminism, just misandry and wanting “revenge” on men. To claim that you have the right to attack, insult and go after people because of their gender is not feminism, it’s misandry. These types of proclamations are not helpful and only creates more division. I say that as someone who has also voted left my entire life. This is very much a “men are the enemy, us vs them” attitude because of your experiences.
The fact that Beehaw continues to allow this rhetoric is incredibly hypocritical. What you’re claiming is that it’s okay to be hurtful and offensive to a gender because previously you lacked the power to do so. That is in no way acceptable and doesn’t make you much better than what you’re criticizing. If Beehaw tolerates this type of dialogue then they should fully support men doing the same (which they shouldn’t either). That is actual equality.
I am unlikely to return to this instance anymore as I find it extremely hypocritical and unwelcoming. That admins and mods will tolerate these kinds of comments attacking an entire gender is unfair, unequal and shows me that the mission statement they claim is false. “A petty hill to die on” should’ve been a lighthearted thread, not an excuse to repeatedly insult someone’s gender (which is a characteristic they can’t help).
Whoa, you either absolutely misinterpeted my comments or are putting a lot into my mouth that I’ve never said. Where have I attacked, insulted or went after cis men specifically. Sure, in my initial statement that beehaw has removed and that I already flagged as being over the top and sarcastic in another comment. Where have I said that men are the enemy? I would 100% welcome cis men to my life if they treated me and others better. I’ve just over and over made bad experiences and have been let down by most cis men I’ve trusted. And I still have some friends that are cis men. I actually very much care for them, I’ve been in groups of mostly men that critically discuss masculinity and I very much see the problems and pain that patriarchy is causing men, too. But the thing is that just the vast majority of cis men is in a position where they are not up to really help in their and everyone’s emancipation, share their privileges, reflect their own role and fight systemic sexism. So long cis men are not up for that, I will be very weary of them.
I really don’t appreciate your way of framing me as a bad actor. You have repeatedly misinterpreted my words, you did not even to bother to say something about how reverse sexism doesn’t work (do you think that about reverse racism also??) and you seem to forget that most of my comments were regarding abusive behavior by cis men I myself experienced either targeting me or people around me. So do you believe me that happened or you rather ignore this, too? Because that js just reality, that cis men are statistically speaking the vast majority of abusers (although I would never speak of “men = abusers”, because that would indeed be misandry, would be false and make things worse for everyone).
I think your way of talking to me is a great example of a cis man trying to mansplain sexism to me. You don’t experience it so you don’t get to explain me the discrimination I face. I think you are way out of line here and would appreciate it, if someone would step up and say something.
Yes it does work both ways, that’s a misandrist and sexist statement as well. I’m very well aware of what feminism is, I’ve been one my entire life and have studied it in school. My wife is the breadwinner in our family, I have a tattoo paying tribute to Lisbeth Salander (my favourite fictional character) and as a writer have made sure to put strong female characters at the forefront who aren’t reliant on men. I make an effort to support strong female characters in media. All of this despite having an abusive mom who I refused to allow to colour my views of all women.
That you are so dismissive of what I’m probably saying because I’m a man says more about you and where your values lay. You’d rather push people away who likely mostly agree with you because of their gender and your distrust and animosity towards them.
I showed this entire thread to my wife devoid of context and while she could see where you’re coming from, she argued that is not true feminism, just misandry and wanting “revenge” on men. To claim that you have the right to attack, insult and go after people because of their gender is not feminism, it’s misandry. These types of proclamations are not helpful and only creates more division. I say that as someone who has also voted left my entire life. This is very much a “men are the enemy, us vs them” attitude because of your experiences.
The fact that Beehaw continues to allow this rhetoric is incredibly hypocritical. What you’re claiming is that it’s okay to be hurtful and offensive to a gender because previously you lacked the power to do so. That is in no way acceptable and doesn’t make you much better than what you’re criticizing. If Beehaw tolerates this type of dialogue then they should fully support men doing the same (which they shouldn’t either). That is actual equality.
I am unlikely to return to this instance anymore as I find it extremely hypocritical and unwelcoming. That admins and mods will tolerate these kinds of comments attacking an entire gender is unfair, unequal and shows me that the mission statement they claim is false. “A petty hill to die on” should’ve been a lighthearted thread, not an excuse to repeatedly insult someone’s gender (which is a characteristic they can’t help).
Whoa, you either absolutely misinterpeted my comments or are putting a lot into my mouth that I’ve never said. Where have I attacked, insulted or went after cis men specifically. Sure, in my initial statement that beehaw has removed and that I already flagged as being over the top and sarcastic in another comment. Where have I said that men are the enemy? I would 100% welcome cis men to my life if they treated me and others better. I’ve just over and over made bad experiences and have been let down by most cis men I’ve trusted. And I still have some friends that are cis men. I actually very much care for them, I’ve been in groups of mostly men that critically discuss masculinity and I very much see the problems and pain that patriarchy is causing men, too. But the thing is that just the vast majority of cis men is in a position where they are not up to really help in their and everyone’s emancipation, share their privileges, reflect their own role and fight systemic sexism. So long cis men are not up for that, I will be very weary of them.
I really don’t appreciate your way of framing me as a bad actor. You have repeatedly misinterpreted my words, you did not even to bother to say something about how reverse sexism doesn’t work (do you think that about reverse racism also??) and you seem to forget that most of my comments were regarding abusive behavior by cis men I myself experienced either targeting me or people around me. So do you believe me that happened or you rather ignore this, too? Because that js just reality, that cis men are statistically speaking the vast majority of abusers (although I would never speak of “men = abusers”, because that would indeed be misandry, would be false and make things worse for everyone).
I think your way of talking to me is a great example of a cis man trying to mansplain sexism to me. You don’t experience it so you don’t get to explain me the discrimination I face. I think you are way out of line here and would appreciate it, if someone would step up and say something.