I don’t really want to reveal my identity online and I’ve been trying to find how I can do that. It seems like Patreon is the only one that acts as a middleman between you and the donator but it only does monthly subscriptions which I don’t really want to have…

    • Griseowulfin ( Griseowulfin@beehaw.org ) English
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      3 years ago

      the issue you’ll run into is the rules and regulations on the finance industry. To prevent fraud, terrorism, or crime, there’s know-your-client and anti-money-laundering rules that most financial services follow that require you to identify yourself.

      Kofi lets you use a PayPal business account, or Stripe, which you set what is shown on the donors bank statement (so it’d show up as what you set it to, rather than a personal name/email). So that might be an option to protect you from being identified by donors, if that’s your worry.

      • Lionir [he/him] ( Lionir@beehaw.org ) OPEnglish
        4·
        3 years ago

        Right, Kofi does do that but to establish a Paypal business account, you need to have a registered entreprise as far as I can tell. To established a registered entreprise, I would need to, well, register it and then I might be liable for corporate tax and people will be able to simply look up the business and find my personal information there anyways. As for Stripe, as said in another document, it still leaked information about me which is quite annoying.

        • millie ( millie@beehaw.org ) English
          2·
          3 years ago

          I have a PayPal business account and don’t have any sort of registered business. They upgraded me at some point years ago when I was getting paid through them regularly. There might be a minimum that has to have gone through your account or something, but it shouldn’t incur any corporate taxes or anything.

        • jarfil ( jarfil@beehaw.org ) English
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          3 years ago

          To established a registered entreprise, I would need to, well, register it and then I might be liable for corporate tax and people will be able to simply look up the business and find my personal information

          Drug trafficking rings use someone else to register the enterprise (family, friends, random guy they pay a token amount to, company in a tax haven) and use them as the fall guy to avoid revealing/linking their own name to the money.

      • Lionir [he/him] ( Lionir@beehaw.org ) OPEnglish
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        3 years ago

        I think cryptocurrencies are largely inefficient, attract tons of scammers, generally propose deregulation of the finance sector and serve no real purpose.

        Largely, I don’t think they solve problems as much as they create them.

          • Lionir [he/him] ( Lionir@beehaw.org ) OPEnglish
            4·
            3 years ago

            I’d argue that crypto is more efficient than the legacy fiat currency banking systems.

            I don’t believe this to be true.

            Scammers are attracted to money. There are plenty of fiat scammers too.

            Sure, but you don’t see fiat currencies being used to pump and dump.

            Crypto doesn’t propose any kind of regulation or deregulation.

            It does. A system where you can transfer money without giving the information that would be needed for a government to tax you or regulate transactions is one that encourages people to commit fraud and avoid financial regulations.

            The fundamental driving force behind it is very much the same as the fediverse. It’s decentralized money.

            No. Distributed systems are fundamentally incompatible with federated systems. They are both decentralized but the way they are decentralized is very different.

            They serve the purpose of being able to quickly and easily send money around the globe without middle men that can censor your transactions.

            This is true but there are often reasons why transactions might be blocked. Some might be right and some might be wrong. If we’re talking about fraud, blocking transactions is good. If we’re talking about sex work, blocking transactions is bad. There is not an inherently bad value to blocking transactions.

            There are many places in the world where it’s difficult to even get a bank account.

            I’d love to see information about that.

            I don’t understand where you got the ideas that you have about cryptocurrency?

            I’ve seen cryptocurrency spaces and have informed myself on the subject. I don’t believe it solves real problems.

              • Lionir [he/him] ( Lionir@beehaw.org ) OPEnglish
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                3 years ago

                Ethereum switched to proof of stake, which dropped the energy used by the network by 99%.

                Well, proof of stake is less power hungry for sure but it also has a big con : The people who control most of the currency can now fake money. Considering our capitalist society with very big gaps in wealth, this is not an acceptable thing.

                A lot of bitcoin mining is already done with renewable sources of energy.

                That’s not great. These sources of energy could be used more productively. There’s also nonetheless tons of it is done on coal.

                Blockchains are public ledgers. They are terrible for avoiding taxes!

                Public ledgers which do not contain the information needed for taxation - pointless.

                There is a lot of overlap in the culture of distributed centralization and federated systems. Many people that are into Bitcoin are really into the fediverse too.

                There is some but I think most people who want a distributed system will go for a distributed social service like Aether for example.

                There may be “good” reasons to block someone from making transactions, but who gets to decide what is good? like you said, sex workers should have access to financial transactions just as much as any other worker.

                The people should through the government that establishes regulation. I don’t believe workarounds to be solutions to these problems. After all, a sex worker can still not solicit work through social media and would be unlikely to look for help from the government if they need it because their work is prosecuted. Cryptocurrency does not solved that.

                I use Bitcoin and Ethereum to store my wealth. From my perspective it solves the problem of needing to trust someone else with my money. It’s not unheard of for banks to fail and take your money.

                Again, I believe in the government needing to bring good laws to solve these problems. I don’t believe that deregulation solves these issues. I also think that you have to trust an infinite number of people to trust in a blockchain system, people who are not regulated by law.

                  • Lionir [he/him] ( Lionir@beehaw.org ) OPEnglish
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                    3 years ago

                    You have far too much faith in governments and laws created by humans. Laws change as society changes, and society is usually far ahead of laws in terms of evolution.

                    This just means that we need to change our political system to be more wary of that.

                    All governments are corrupt, and will never help solve the wealth gaps. The US government is bought and paid for by corporations. Places like china just control the population through fear.

                    Blockchain technology does not help to fix these problems, not sure why it’s being brought up.

                    We need separation of money and state to have real freedom.

                    This is not true, we simply need better states. Money does not equal freedom.

                    There is no need to trust people when using Bitcoin. it’s a trustless system that uses a consensus algorithm.

                    There is, you need to trust that there are no flaws in the system. Programs have flaws - I don’t know of any program that is perfect. Not only that but moving to proof of stake means trusting people who have the most money to not collude and create fake money in the blockchain.

                    I would rather accumulate large amounts of wealth and help people than stay poor.

                    If you don’t see the accumulation of wealth through the usage of your currency as deeply problematic, I’m not sure what to tell you.

                    Did you watch the talk by Andreas?

                    Yes, I have. I think the anger and frustration is misplaced.