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Where’s the funny?
the cynical side of me liked it. ofc that may not be your kind of humor
Hehe basing actual society on media representation of the extremes lol
political memes are always forced and unfunny
tmw you are trying to build up a leftist meme community over at !leftymemes@lemmy.dbzer0.com , so you use lemmy’s wacky implementation of crossposts
Both scenarios could actually happen at the same time
Actually, now that I think about it, has there even been a piece of media showing a utopia as capitalist? All the genuine utopias I can think of are usually at least socialist leaning. I say genuine cause there’s also a huge number of works about “utopias” where the whole plot is about how the society isn’t actually a utopia.
that’s because a capitalist Utopia is in no way realistic (and acutally self-contradictory). The only future Capitalism offers is a dystopian one (if we even get to have a future, which is not all that likely under current circumstances)
I think the word you’re looking for in reference to a utopia not being a utopia is “dystopia”.
Talkies are cringe, both is bad
what do you even mean? progressive Trekkies are cool and Tankie is just a derogatory word to describe revisionists
and Tankie is just a derogatory word to describe revisionists
That’s not what the term tankie means.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English5•2 years ago
That’s the future under post-scarcity, not socialism. They have replicators, which has made manual labor, capitalism, and socialism obsolete. We do not have any such technology and therefore cannot achieve such a thing at this time.
We already live in a “post-scarcity” world… there is absolutely nothing humans could need that we couldn’t grow or produce. All the scarcity you see around you is artificially created and maintained - and that means socialism is far, far from obsolete.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English1•2 years ago
there is absolutely nothing humans could need that we couldn’t grow or produce.
Yes, but much of it is made using human labor. Labor is what’s scarce in real life and not scarce in Star Trek, and a technological Holy Grail is required to bridge that gap.
So no, present-day scarcity is not artificial. Not entirely artificial, at least.
Labor is what’s scarce in real life
No, it isn’t. We have more labor on this planet that we would know what to do with if we stopped repressing it in order to keep a small group of billionaire parasites in the money.
and a technological Holy Grail is required to bridge that gap.
Absolutely not… there is nothing humans would need that we couldn’t produce in spades using already existing methods. The heinous abuse and mismanagement of human resources in our current mode of production does not require techno-fetishizing non-solutions - it requires a social solution. Hence, socialism.
It’s like with famines: globally we produce more than enough food to feed everyone, we just choose not to.
Our problem isn’t the production of goods, but the allocation.
Pretty much.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English1•2 years ago
We have more labor on this planet that we would know what to do with if we stopped repressing it in order to keep a small group of billionaire parasites in the money.
We would run out of it very quickly if there wasn’t anything compelling laborers to perform labor. Nobody’s going to grow crops for you out of the goodness of their hearts. That’s hard, miserable, thankless, dangerous work. That’s why capitalism exists in the first place.
The heinous abuse and mismanagement of human resources in our current mode of production does not require techno-fetishizing non-solutions - it requires a social solution. Hence, socialism.
That has already been attempted several times, each attempt ended in catastrophic failure, and that failure itself involved heinous abuse and mismanagement of human resources.
Machines may yet solve this problem for us, but humans definitely won’t, and we’ve got the history to prove it.
We would run out of it very quickly
No. We wouldn’t. The labor would simply be spent on that which people find important.
Nobody’s going to grow crops for you out of the goodness
Says who? PragerU?
That’s why capitalism exists in the first place.
No, Clyde… that’s not it. Maybe don’t extrapolate your politics from Civilization games, okay?
That has already been attempted several times
Yes, it has… and everywhere it was tried it was destroyed by fascists, capitalists and other power-hoarders because they were afraid it might work. For instance, Catalonia in the middle 30s and Ukraine in the early 20s.
Machines may yet solve this problem for us,
No, they won’t.
and we’ve got the history to prove it.
Alt-history doesn’t actually count as real history.
I think it’s closer to communism than socialism or post-scarcity. There’s no democratic control of the workplace to be seen; everybody just shares everything. But they don’t have infinity starships for everyone.
I think the best episode which explores this idea is the DS9 baseball card episode. The card isn’t post-scarcity; it’s extremely valuable personal property.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English4•2 years ago
They don’t have infinite starships because they don’t have infinite energy and raw materials. What they do have is effectively infinite labor, since they can trivially make just about anything (with a few exceptions, like latinum) out of whatever resources are on hand.
I didn’t see the episode you mentioned, so I can’t comment on it.
If you’re a trekkie I guarantee you’ll enjoy it. A fantastic episode.
No tankie… go away.
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English10•2 years ago
There’s nothing tankie about this. Nobody’s celebrating genocide or conquest here.
Don’t you know that anybody who’s not cheerleading for the status quo is a tankie?
It’s the entry drug to communism, and then eventually to tankyism…
- argv_minus_one ( @argv_minus_one@beehaw.org ) English6•2 years ago
There is no such thing as an entry drug, either literally or metaphorically.