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- PolandIsAStateOfMind ( @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml ) English7•1 year ago
FTFY:
good one
that’s billions of tax payers money with the tax burden being disproportionately heavy for the 90% while the 10% pay less and less taxes the richer they are
- 30isthenew29 ( @30isthenew29@lemm.ee ) English3•1 year ago
I like how on lemmy you see both how much upvotes and downvotes you have, on reddit you could have a score of 1 and don’t know much has happened, but with lemmy you could have 50 upvotes and 49 downvotes, making you really think about it…
- skelpie ( @skelpie@kbin.social ) 0•1 year ago
False, the bottom 90% paid about 25% of income taxes (in the US at least). https://taxfoundation.org/publications/latest-federal-income-tax-data/
it’s about the percentage of income paid, not the net sum
- skelpie ( @skelpie@kbin.social ) 1•1 year ago
Ok, so what percentage of income do the various income brackets pay?
- lemmy ( @itspcp@lemmy.ml ) 3•1 year ago
Why don’t you look it up?
- skelpie ( @skelpie@kbin.social ) 5•1 year ago
There’s 0 real economists who hold anything close to these views. What a stupid take. Before you downvote, I ask that you find a single source that contradicts my claim. Since all liberal economics is like that, it should be easy, right?
- Yozul ( @yozul@beehaw.org ) 7•1 year ago
Economists may not be like that, but politicians are, and they’re the ones that run the economy.
- skelpie ( @skelpie@kbin.social ) 3•1 year ago
Sure, but that’s not what the post is about.
- Yozul ( @yozul@beehaw.org ) 5•1 year ago
It seem to me like the intention was to say the economics practiced by liberals, not the beliefs of liberal economists. It’s phrased ambiguously, but I prefer to interpret things generously.
you are correct and that is what all those economic theories boil down to tbh
- NutWrench ( @NutWrench@lemmy.ml ) English4•1 year ago
“liberal economics” ? Seriously? This flowchart describes every POS robber baron capitalist for the last several centuries.
those are the effects of liberal capitalism
- sharpiemarker ( @Sharpiemarker@feddit.de ) English0•1 year ago
Right?! This is gaslighting pure and simple. Trump gave tax breaks to his corporate cronies on the backs of the poor and middle class. Was Trump a liberal? How about Bush? Clinton (who was a Democrat) made substantial strides toward fixing the economy. But I guess he was a conservative? Idiots don’t know the meanings of words. Next you’ll tell us that socialism and communism are both the same thing and what liberals want for the country.
- Lmaydev ( @Lmaydev@programming.dev ) English3•1 year ago
What definition of liberal are you using here?
the one of (neo)liberalism. An economic state which is accepted and perpetuated by virtually all sides of the culture war
- Lmaydev ( @Lmaydev@programming.dev ) English4•1 year ago
Historically by the right wing then.
- eggshappedegg ( @eggshappedegg@sopuli.xyz ) English2•1 year ago
It’s just socialism for companies
not rly, it’s capitalism working as intended
- eggshappedegg ( @eggshappedegg@sopuli.xyz ) English0•1 year ago
I guess I forgot the /s What I meant was capitalist socialism
- PolandIsAStateOfMind ( @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml ) English0•1 year ago
It’s imperialism to be precise, the highest stage of capitalism which see the merging of monopolies and state power, resulting in things like widespread corruption (lobbying), state waging wars in the interest of big capital, policies being subordinate to the stonks line and of course bailing out corpos which are “too big to fail”.
In a nutshell, it’s just natural development of capitalism.
I guess you could say it’s “corporate welfare” but the word “socialism” is not correct and shouldn’t be used here.
- DingleBoone ( @DingleBoone@reddthat.com ) English2•1 year ago
aka “Reaganomics”
- jackpot ( @jackpot@lemmy.ml ) English2•1 year ago
reagan’s a liberal?
- SMTRodent ( @SMTRodent@sopuli.xyz ) English3•1 year ago
He’s a neoliberal which is an economic stance that promotes deregulation of the markets and support of free trade along with government austerity.
always has been (in terms of economics)
- jackpot ( @jackpot@lemmy.ml ) English1•1 year ago
HAHaHAHAHAHAHA
- fmstrat ( @fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com ) English2•1 year ago
I don’t get it. Billionaires do billionaires things, but this meme being made the same week as a liberal policy requiring fair taxes for the rich to cover social security for the next 75 years makes this poster 100% out of touch.
First of all, I don’t know which country you are talking about which put these policies in place. And it does not matter as it does not alleviate the exploitation inherent in capitalism, it only puts a nice coat of paint iver it…
- masquenox ( @masquenox@lemmy.ml ) English2•1 year ago
Has this liberal policy you talk about actually done anything to threaten capitalism in any way?
- PowerCrazy ( @PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ) English1•1 year ago
Which policy is that? Does it have a built in way to prevent accumlation of wealth? Maybe a death tax? Maybe some nationalizing of industry’s? No? Then it sounds like you are the one out of touch.
- SMTRodent ( @SMTRodent@sopuli.xyz ) English1•1 year ago
Liberal in economics and Liberal in US politics mean two very distinct and different things. It’s like the way a ‘runner’ in a race is different to a ‘runner’ in a restaurant. They’re not the same things at all.
Economic liberalism means free trade and deregulation. If it makes money, it’s good. Neoliberalism is also referred to as ‘hypercapitalism’.
‘Liberal’ in US politics means ‘left of the GOP’ and is its own unique thing. It bears no relation to economic liberalism at all. The two may coincide but they’re independent of one another.
- queermunist she/her ( @queermunist@lemmy.ml ) English0•1 year ago
Did that policy become law?
- Steeve ( @Steeve@lemmy.ca ) English0•1 year ago
OP’s account is full of this type of half thought out, zero context, communist propaganda memes. I don’t even disagree with the premise of most of them in general, but it’s just turning this place into an auth-left Facebook.
- PowerCrazy ( @PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ) English1•1 year ago
Oh no! Not the “auth-left.” They may make corporations exist for the good of the people instead of profit.
- Steeve ( @Steeve@lemmy.ca ) English0•1 year ago
Yeah see, these are the lazy non evidence driven meme statements I’m talking about which Facebook is commonly criticized for
- varzaman ( @varzaman@lemm.ee ) English0•1 year ago
You’re so right lol. Most of these memes are completely brain dead.
- topRamen ( @topRamen@lemmy.ml ) English0•1 year ago
Theyre always trying to widen the gap between the upper and middle/lower class. They hate you and believe the only reason you exist is to make them money. People often blaim capitalism but this isn’t the real issue. Its the politicians who are in bed with the corporations.
- Da_Boom ( @Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi ) English0•1 year ago
Once again, I blame the Chicago school of economics. Fuck that economic theory. It’s exactly why we have the mega corporations of today, it’s entire purpose was to neuter the Sherman antitrust act after Roosevelt’s crusade against the trusts.
the chicago school is just a natural development of capitalism. In competition instead of cooperation, the winner absorbs the looser and cetralizes production more and more into oligopolies. Even if you turned back the time before the era of “crony/coorperate capitalism” it would take but a bit of time to get back to the state we are in right now…
- RocksForBrains ( @RocksForBrains@lemm.ee ) English0•1 year ago
People upvoting this do not understand geopolitics.
- mathemachristian[he] ( @mathemachristian@lemm.ee ) English2•1 year ago
People who think this is geopolitical don’t know what “geo” means
- boredtortoise ( @boredtortoise@lemm.ee ) English0•1 year ago
Liberal economics be like let’s get rid of capitalism
- NotSteve_ ( @NotSteve_@beehaw.org ) English4•1 year ago
I think you’re confusing the US definition of liberal with the definition of liberal in near the rest of the world. Even in Canada the Liberals are centre at best
- boredtortoise ( @boredtortoise@lemm.ee ) English2•1 year ago
Nah I’m not. I know that US/UK/AUS/anglosphere capitalists try to say they’re liberal but there’s nothing liberal under a capitalist hierarchy. Apparently they’re trying to be sneaky in Canada as well
- NotSteve_ ( @NotSteve_@beehaw.org ) English1•1 year ago
Ahh gotcha, I wasn’t sure. And yeah the Liberals here are like progressive classic conservatives. They’re not insane like current conservatives but they like to maintain the current status quo and will occasionally give us something like dental care but limit it to a very small subset of people. And that’s only if forced to by the supporting left leaning party (NDP).
- boredtortoise ( @boredtortoise@lemm.ee ) English1•1 year ago
Yeah exactly. Conservatives & authoritarians really like to market with phrases like “economic liberalism” or “free markets”. Always building a power structure which limits freedoms
- mathemachristian[he] ( @mathemachristian@lemm.ee ) English3•1 year ago
No, those are socialist economics.
- boredtortoise ( @boredtortoise@lemm.ee ) English0•1 year ago
To-may-to to-mah-to
- boredtortoise ( @boredtortoise@lemm.ee ) English0•1 year ago
Yeah that’s the scam. Not actually liberal
- vd1n ( @vd1n@lemmy.ml ) English0•1 year ago
I’m a firm believer that all sides rob cheat and steal. Some more than others though…