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алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com )  to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 years ago

Liberal Economics be like

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Liberal Economics be like

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алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com )  to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 years ago
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  • PolandIsAStateOfMind ( PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml ) 
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    FTFY:

    • алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) OP
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      good one

  • алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) OP
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    that’s billions of tax payers money with the tax burden being disproportionately heavy for the 90% while the 10% pay less and less taxes the richer they are

    • 30isthenew29 ( 30isthenew29@lemm.ee ) 
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      I like how on lemmy you see both how much upvotes and downvotes you have, on reddit you could have a score of 1 and don’t know much has happened, but with lemmy you could have 50 upvotes and 49 downvotes, making you really think about it…

    • skelpie ( skelpie@kbin.social ) 
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      False, the bottom 90% paid about 25% of income taxes (in the US at least). https://taxfoundation.org/publications/latest-federal-income-tax-data/

      • алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) OP
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        it’s about the percentage of income paid, not the net sum

        • skelpie ( skelpie@kbin.social ) 
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          Ok, so what percentage of income do the various income brackets pay?

          • lemmy ( itspcp@lemmy.ml ) 
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            Why don’t you look it up?

  • skelpie ( skelpie@kbin.social ) 
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    There’s 0 real economists who hold anything close to these views. What a stupid take. Before you downvote, I ask that you find a single source that contradicts my claim. Since all liberal economics is like that, it should be easy, right?

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        Sure, but that’s not what the post is about.

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          • алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) OP
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            you are correct and that is what all those economic theories boil down to tbh

  • NutWrench ( NutWrench@lemmy.ml ) 
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    “liberal economics” ? Seriously? This flowchart describes every POS robber baron capitalist for the last several centuries.

    • алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) OP
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      those are the effects of liberal capitalism

    • sharpiemarker ( Sharpiemarker@feddit.de ) 
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      Right?! This is gaslighting pure and simple. Trump gave tax breaks to his corporate cronies on the backs of the poor and middle class. Was Trump a liberal? How about Bush? Clinton (who was a Democrat) made substantial strides toward fixing the economy. But I guess he was a conservative? Idiots don’t know the meanings of words. Next you’ll tell us that socialism and communism are both the same thing and what liberals want for the country.

  • Lmaydev ( Lmaydev@programming.dev ) 
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    What definition of liberal are you using here?

    • алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) OP
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      the one of (neo)liberalism. An economic state which is accepted and perpetuated by virtually all sides of the culture war

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        Historically by the right wing then.

  • DingleBoone ( DingleBoone@reddthat.com ) 
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    aka “Reaganomics”

  • eggshappedegg ( eggshappedegg@sopuli.xyz ) 
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    It’s just socialism for companies

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      not rly, it’s capitalism working as intended

      • eggshappedegg ( eggshappedegg@sopuli.xyz ) 
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        I guess I forgot the /s What I meant was capitalist socialism

        • PolandIsAStateOfMind ( PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml ) 
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          It’s imperialism to be precise, the highest stage of capitalism which see the merging of monopolies and state power, resulting in things like widespread corruption (lobbying), state waging wars in the interest of big capital, policies being subordinate to the stonks line and of course bailing out corpos which are “too big to fail”.

          In a nutshell, it’s just natural development of capitalism.

          I guess you could say it’s “corporate welfare” but the word “socialism” is not correct and shouldn’t be used here.

  • jackpot ( jackpot@lemmy.ml ) Banned
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    reagan’s a liberal?

    • SMTRodent ( SMTRodent@sopuli.xyz ) 
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      He’s a neoliberal which is an economic stance that promotes deregulation of the markets and support of free trade along with government austerity.

    • алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) OP
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      always has been (in terms of economics)

      • jackpot ( jackpot@lemmy.ml ) Banned
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        HAHaHAHAHAHAHA

  • fmstrat ( fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com ) 
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    I don’t get it. Billionaires do billionaires things, but this meme being made the same week as a liberal policy requiring fair taxes for the rich to cover social security for the next 75 years makes this poster 100% out of touch.

    • алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) OP
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      First of all, I don’t know which country you are talking about which put these policies in place. And it does not matter as it does not alleviate the exploitation inherent in capitalism, it only puts a nice coat of paint iver it…

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      Has this liberal policy you talk about actually done anything to threaten capitalism in any way?

    • SMTRodent ( SMTRodent@sopuli.xyz ) 
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      Liberal in economics and Liberal in US politics mean two very distinct and different things. It’s like the way a ‘runner’ in a race is different to a ‘runner’ in a restaurant. They’re not the same things at all.

      Economic liberalism means free trade and deregulation. If it makes money, it’s good. Neoliberalism is also referred to as ‘hypercapitalism’.

      ‘Liberal’ in US politics means ‘left of the GOP’ and is its own unique thing. It bears no relation to economic liberalism at all. The two may coincide but they’re independent of one another.

    • PowerCrazy ( PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Which policy is that? Does it have a built in way to prevent accumlation of wealth? Maybe a death tax? Maybe some nationalizing of industry’s? No? Then it sounds like you are the one out of touch.

    • queermunist she/her ( queermunist@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Did that policy become law?

    • Steeve ( Steeve@lemmy.ca ) 
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      OP’s account is full of this type of half thought out, zero context, communist propaganda memes. I don’t even disagree with the premise of most of them in general, but it’s just turning this place into an auth-left Facebook.

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        Oh no! Not the “auth-left.” They may make corporations exist for the good of the people instead of profit.

        • Steeve ( Steeve@lemmy.ca ) 
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          Yeah see, these are the lazy non evidence driven meme statements I’m talking about which Facebook is commonly criticized for

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            You’re so right lol. Most of these memes are completely brain dead.

  • jackpot ( jackpot@lemmy.ml ) Banned
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  • topRamen ( topRamen@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Theyre always trying to widen the gap between the upper and middle/lower class. They hate you and believe the only reason you exist is to make them money. People often blaim capitalism but this isn’t the real issue. Its the politicians who are in bed with the corporations.

  • Da_Boom ( Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi ) 
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    Once again, I blame the Chicago school of economics. Fuck that economic theory. It’s exactly why we have the mega corporations of today, it’s entire purpose was to neuter the Sherman antitrust act after Roosevelt’s crusade against the trusts.

    • алсааас [she/her] ( alsaaas@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) OP
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      the chicago school is just a natural development of capitalism. In competition instead of cooperation, the winner absorbs the looser and cetralizes production more and more into oligopolies. Even if you turned back the time before the era of “crony/coorperate capitalism” it would take but a bit of time to get back to the state we are in right now…

  • boredtortoise ( boredtortoise@lemm.ee ) 
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    Liberal economics be like let’s get rid of capitalism

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      I think you’re confusing the US definition of liberal with the definition of liberal in near the rest of the world. Even in Canada the Liberals are centre at best

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        Nah I’m not. I know that US/UK/AUS/anglosphere capitalists try to say they’re liberal but there’s nothing liberal under a capitalist hierarchy. Apparently they’re trying to be sneaky in Canada as well

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          Ahh gotcha, I wasn’t sure. And yeah the Liberals here are like progressive classic conservatives. They’re not insane like current conservatives but they like to maintain the current status quo and will occasionally give us something like dental care but limit it to a very small subset of people. And that’s only if forced to by the supporting left leaning party (NDP).

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            Yeah exactly. Conservatives & authoritarians really like to market with phrases like “economic liberalism” or “free markets”. Always building a power structure which limits freedoms

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      No, those are socialist economics.

      • boredtortoise ( boredtortoise@lemm.ee ) 
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        To-may-to to-mah-to

        • mathemachristian[he] ( mathemachristian@lemm.ee ) 
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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_liberalism

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            Yeah that’s the scam. Not actually liberal

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    I’m a firm believer that all sides rob cheat and steal. Some more than others though…

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    People upvoting this do not understand geopolitics.

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      People who think this is geopolitical don’t know what “geo” means

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