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The Nexus of Privacy ( thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.blahaj.zone )  to Privacy@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 years ago

Here Are the Secret Locations of ShotSpotter Gunfire Sensors

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Here Are the Secret Locations of ShotSpotter Gunfire Sensors

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The Nexus of Privacy ( thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.blahaj.zone )  to Privacy@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 years ago
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The locations of microphones used to detect gunshots have been kept hidden from police and the public. A WIRED analysis of leaked coordinates confirms arguments critics have made against the technology.
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  • PowerCrazy ( PowerCrazy@lemmy.ml ) 
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    The only problem ShotSpotter solves is not enough public money into private hands. What information does it actually give the police, even assuming that it is 100% accurate?
    At a certain time and place a gun was fired. Great? Who cares. That isn’t worth $1million/mo.
    If there are 3 people in the general location and time that a gun was fired, what has shotspotter done to help?

    Fortunately Chicago is getting rid of this finally. https://chicago.suntimes.com/city-hall/2024/02/22/shotspotter-contract-cost-mayor-brandon-johnson-cancel-extension-summer

    • The Nexus of Privacy ( thenexusofprivacy@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) OP
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      And, it gives cops another excuse to overpolice Black and brown neighborhoods.

    • bionicjoey ( bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ) 
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      People usually call in shots fired. So all they’ve done is create an expensive device that maybe tells them a bit sooner than a concerned citizen.

      • JillyB ( JillyB@beehaw.org ) 
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        This is where I disagree. I think a transparent, publicly run system to triangulate gunshots is actually a great idea. As long as the microphones are placed evenly throughout a city, they can instantly let police know where and when a gunshot happened.

        However, with no way to publicly verify the fairness of the a private system, there’s only one way this could go.

        • bionicjoey ( bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ) 
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          Doesn’t triangulation get fucked up by the presence of buildings? I don’t imagine these give much more precision, even in the ideal situation you describe.

          • Flumpkin ( Flumpkin@slrpnk.net ) 
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            I imagine that theoretically you could have algorithms or machine learning to calibrate this. Like make test sounds so you see how the sound diffuses and then filter it out.

  • ReverendIrreverence ( ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Maybe I missed it but the article actually does not tell/show you where these secret locations are. A red dot on a map that doesn’t zoom in well enough is kinda useless.

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    • Pilgrim ( Pilgrim@beehaw.org ) 
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      Well, the bullet will travel faster than the sound of the shot so no

      • frogmint ( frogmint@beehaw.org ) 
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        Depends, some loads are subsonic especially for suppressor use. I’m looking at you, 300BLK

    • ReverendIrreverence ( ReverendIrreverence@lemmy.ml ) 
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      That’s what suppressors are for

      • ArcaneSlime ( ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        Suppressors aren’t movie quiet, they just bring down the noise to make it hearing safe.

        This leads me to wonder, would a suppressor actually trick these machines, does it have to be supersonic to pick it up?

        And, what happens when someone near a sensor needs a new roof? Roofers constantly harassed by cops? “Not allowed to use .22 cal nail guns?” Would this thing not pick up Ramsets?

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    Muricans do everything but forbid guns

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