- Sabata11792 ( @Sabata11792@kbin.social ) 33•2 months ago
My biggest concern is they will hold your data hostage if you don’t pay or try to leave.
- admiralteal ( @admiralteal@kbin.social ) 28•2 months ago
Also, how can we be assured the privacy practices of their subscription/payment platform are at least better than the (likely blockable) trackers?
Forming a financial relationship with a website is, theoretically, infinitely more traceable to your personal identity than all the cookies in the world.
- Sabata11792 ( @Sabata11792@kbin.social ) 12•2 months ago
My bank would probably tell everyone before they did.
- onlinepersona ( @onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English12•2 months ago
Can’t do that in the EU (thank you GDPR).
Anti Commercial AI thingy
- Sabata11792 ( @Sabata11792@kbin.social ) 7•2 months ago
Im in the US. The law dose not apply to businesses who can pay bribes.
- onlinepersona ( @onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English3•2 months ago
Join us in the EU 🙂
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- The Doctor ( @drwho@beehaw.org ) English7•2 months ago
How much oil do you have?
- onlinepersona ( @onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English5•2 months ago
None?
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- The Doctor ( @drwho@beehaw.org ) English2•2 months ago
Then, nah.
- Daklon ( @Daklon@beehaw.org ) 3•2 months ago
Sadly, they are doing it in spain, the judges recently stated that they can do it, and few days later almost all of the spanish newspappers had it.
- mindlight ( @mindlight@lemm.ee ) 4•2 months ago
Care to elaborate?
- Daklon ( @Daklon@beehaw.org ) 1•2 months ago
This link probably will explain it better than me: https://www.engage.hoganlovells.com/knowledgeservices/news/new-guidance-on-cookies-in-spain
- ErwinLottemann ( @ErwinLottemann@feddit.de ) 3•2 months ago
but they do this here anyway, at least in germany
- onlinepersona ( @onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English1•2 months ago
They can, but then that can end up in EU court. If it happened to you, tell the consumer association of your country or your Data Protection Officer. People and companies can do what ever they like, they just have to live with the consequences.
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- onlinepersona ( @onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English1•2 months ago
This is what we’re discussing
My biggest concern is they will hold your data hostage if you don’t pay or try to leave.
Are golem, pur, spiegel, and others doing so? Have you tried asking for your data to be deleted and gotten a “fuck you we won’t” or no response at all (which is also the equivalent of “fuck you we won’t”)?
- Sam_Bass ( @Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml ) 25•2 months ago
Even if you pay them, your privacy is gone. Any part of you placed in someone else’s hands makes privacy a joke
- Rai ( @Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 19•2 months ago
Now they got ya financial info! Even less privacy!
- Sam_Bass ( @Sam_Bass@lemmy.ml ) 5•2 months ago
For true
- delirious_owl ( @delirious_owl@discuss.online ) 10•2 months ago
The reason is because your country doesn’t have a GDPR
- FriendBesto ( @FriendBesto@lemmy.ml ) 8•2 months ago
The main reason is because the vast majority of people do not care or lack foresight of where that trend has been taking us for over 17 years. Surely you have friends or family who do not care. I do.
- lud ( @lud@lemm.ee ) 5•2 months ago
Read the article. It’s about the EU.
- EatATaco ( @EatATaco@lemm.ee ) English2•2 months ago
Didn’t read article: check
Mindless shitting on America: check
All we’re missing is all rich people are bad!" And we would have hit the Lemmy trifecta.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English8•2 months ago
I misread pay as gay and I thought this thread was going to get spicy
- Zorsith ( @Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) English1•2 months ago
New biometric method just dropped
- huginn ( @huginn@feddit.it ) 8•2 months ago
I’m fine with this trend.
Servers aren’t free and engineers aren’t cheap. Online products need to make money in our world.
If you’re not paying them they need something to sell to someone else.
- drkt ( @drkt@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 22•2 months ago
Servers aren’t free but it’s damn cheap if you don’t bloat up your backend
- huginn ( @huginn@feddit.it ) 10•2 months ago
And the way you don’t bloat your backend?
Expensive engineers
- The Doctor ( @drwho@beehaw.org ) English9•2 months ago
How expensive do we have to be for them to actually listen to us for a change? Or do you mean “expensive consultants?”
- huginn ( @huginn@feddit.it ) 7•2 months ago
Well yeah this presupposes that management knows what the fuck they’re doing.
Which is vanishingly rare. It happens sometimes though. I worked at a small 12 man shop that had an engineer CEO who valued doing things right. Very refreshing.
- DosDude👾 ( @DosDude@retrolemmy.com ) 7•2 months ago
Or it’s a FOSS solution.
- Pat_Riot ( @Pat_Riot@lemmy.today ) 3•2 months ago
Whenever I see FOSS offered as a solution I have to wonder if that person is paying for their own food, shelter, transportation and what have you, or if they are still living with their parents and not making any attempt to support themselves.
Nothing is free. There is a cost incurred at some point. The minimum cost is time, a finite commodity for all living beings, and effort, but other things require materials, which cost someone some time and effort to find, extract, or otherwise produce.
I certainly don’t say any of this in defense of capitalism, but “free” is a nonsense concept in human life. It simply doesn’t exist.
- Amju Wolf ( @amju_wolf@pawb.social ) 9•2 months ago
Life isn’t a zero sum game where you have to optimize material wealth. Some people do things for others just because they like doing it, because they have the means to do so, or because they simply want to help others.
Sure, there are costs involved, but that’s true for literally everything if you account for opportunity cost. The vast majority of people choose to waste time completely unproductively, with no objective benefits to their lives (often with objective disadvantages), so is it hard to imagine that some people aren’t like that and instead choose to help/provide for others whole perhaps having some other non-material benefits like learning something or just becoming liked within a community?
- Pat_Riot ( @Pat_Riot@lemmy.today ) 4•2 months ago
Doing something because you want to is vastly different from expecting everything to be free.
- wahming ( @wahming@monyet.cc ) English3•2 months ago
Yeah, lemmy is insanely illogical on this topic. Services cost money to run, and the average user is not going to self host anytime in the foreseeable future. I have yet to hear anybody offer a vision of how things might reasonably work without ads OR subscriptions.
- huginn ( @huginn@feddit.it ) 3•2 months ago
The argument as far as I can tell is “FOSS means I don’t have to pay anything because it doesn’t cost anything! If they ask for donations they don’t mean me”
Not a single one of them have a monthly contribution to their instance though. Guaran-fucking-tee it.
- Nath ( @Nath@aussie.zone ) 7•2 months ago
For our instance, the users have in fact donated and keep us running. I’m not sure why you’d think users are unwilling to donate.
- huginn ( @huginn@feddit.it ) 2•2 months ago
Because I’ve regularly got in arguments with people who refuse to donate.
The ratio of leachers to seeders in torrents is a similar issue - and seeding is practically free.
Asking $12/yr for software seems like pulling teeth to some.
- Nath ( @Nath@aussie.zone ) 6•2 months ago
Asking $12/yr for software seems like pulling teeth to some.
That may be your problem. We don’t ask for anything specific. We simply make a post with how much the service costs and how much users have donated. Users are smart and can take things from there.
- huginn ( @huginn@feddit.it ) 1•2 months ago
I’m not running an instance I’m talking about generalities not specifics.
- Fluentem ( @Fluentem@lemm.ee ) 4•2 months ago
Between this and the sheer amount of pro piracy, i’m honestly convinced people on Lemmy are cheap fucks.
- huginn ( @huginn@feddit.it ) 5•2 months ago
I can understand not having anything and not wanting to pay. I get it.
But don’t act like it’s free just because you can’t afford it.