If the owner of the standard notes will now be a proton, doesn’t that contradict this principle? I have a proton email account but I don’t want it linked to my standard notes account. I don’t strongly trust companies that offer packaged services like google or Microsoft. I prefer to have one service from one company. I am afraid that now I will have to change where I save my notes. What do you guys think about this?
Syncthing + your text editor (orgzly revived is great)
I’ve been using orgzly for years and this is the first I’ve heard of revived. Looks promising.
Same! I used orgzly for a good while, might have to get back to it.
And there is orgzly for linux or something?
A simple text editor does the job on PC, I use kate (kde) but perhaps a markdown editor might be better.
You activated my trap card!
It’s entierly based on the excellent org-mode for Emacs.
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Maybe Logseq, too.
+FOSS like Joplin and unlike Obsidian
+plaintext markdown files like Obsidian and unlike Joplin’s janky database
-less feature-rich than obsidian
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Is there a problem with your Lemmy client? My comment renders fine on Raccoon.
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Eternity doesn’t render that fine and neither do any of the websites and frontends I’ve tried. It’s likely Raccoon in specific renders this as you intended, but it is in the markdown spec — that Lemmy mostly follows — that “strictly” two line breaks are needed to render one line break in HTML.
It isn’t very “what you see is what you get”…
I regret I’m probably never escaping Obsidian. For a closed-source piece of software it has such a beautiful ecosystem of themes and plugins. I love to use it for writing my blog articles, and the mostly strict adherence to the markdown spec, the HTML rendering and plugins that add support for Pandoc (and Zotero)…
But by default I can’t seem to get Logseq in that space, even if I really want to, where I only organise files based on metadata and folders.
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It’s not about the files, I’m very happy with files being local and easily synced and messed with. It is as you say, you create a folder which Obsidian reads as a “vault” and create
.mdfiles and folders in there, plus the hidden folders that let Obsidian organise plugins…But I’m also not exclusively using it on Android, it’s my desktop driver for just about everything text. Especially please with the community plugins which make it extremely accessible for someone with additional needs when it comes to reading or writing, the recent improvements to tables and the plugins that integrate it with Pandoc and Zotero.
I was never able to replace what it was with anything except maybe Logseq, and even the Logseq couldn’t replace all of the functionality and theming. I tried living a few days in Logseq, just moving my vault there, but it didn’t work so well.
It’s not a major issue, I would like to move to FOSS but it’s not an emergency like moving away from Google is an emergency.
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Again, depending on your needs perhaps Logseq is fine. It seems that developers of each app (Logseq and Obsidian namely) have this expectation of how users want to use their apps but in my experience they are both configurable to use Tags, Folders or Links to organise content. This lets you take notes and organise in several ways.
Logseq is FOSS, Obsidian is not and is more popular (thus larger community plugins/themes ecosystem). That’s the main difference.
I would love for someone to walk me around what SN can do and walk someone around what Obsidian can do.
My biggest issue with Logsec is the CLA signing. I still use it but don’t feel like contributing to it anymore
Oof. I did not know about that. That’s unfortunate!
I just wish any of them had a native Android UI instead of a weird, janky mess that is Logseq and iOS clone in Obsidian.
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I mean yeah, I get it, and I know the same’s the reason behind everyone and their dog using Electron, but in both cases the result is… not great.
I know these apps but none of them is as good as standard notes in my opinion. Notesnook seems fine but I don’t like fact that it is based in Pakistan. I used Joplin before buying a sub for standard notes so I know it.
Currently I have also subscription on Crypt.ee for photos but there is also a notes app integrated. Maybe I’ll start using it. Developer of cryptee was very active on reddit and he seems like a man who values privacy and security.
But I hope that simply proton will not force the migration of standard notes accounts to proton accounts and for old users everything will be as before.
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Idk, maybe I’m wrong. Notesnook is recommended by privacyguides at all. All my mistrust comes from the fact that such countries are not famous for respecting human rights. What if the government forces the owners to give up the keys? Maybe it’s an unrealistic scenario cause data is encrypted.
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Yes, you had me cause I write only about keys, but I thought also about backdoors on gov demand.
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Notesnook is open source and you can check (if you have the knowledge) if there are any issues. They’re working on making the server self-hostable (also fully open source) so there’s that.
What’s the upside over self-hosted (and encrypted) Trilium, which is what I currently use? (I ask this not as a challenge, but out of curiosity.)
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Thanks, appreciate it!
Average Joe wants an easy all-in-one solution. That’s what Google, Apple and Microsoft offer. An ecosystem. If you want to fight that, you need to be able to offer that. So that’s what Proton is doing.
Of course it’s better to have it seperated. And the security and privacy nerds will likely keep doing that anyways. But Average Joe doesn’t want to take a hassle and rather looses privacy than do that.
Issue is, things are only as secure as the least secure point. Average Joe using Google and Microsoft means your data also goes there when interacting. When Average Joe is swayed by a place that is privacy-friendly ánd convinient, it makes your weakest link also stronger.
Meanwhile, Average Joe is also more save then when he was using Google or Microsoft services. Even when he would be less save than if he had his stuff seperated.
It helps everyone.
With that in mind, I applaud it. But I won’t use it. I use Proton for mail, Joplin for notes (encrypting them in Joplin and syncing with NextCloud), and my passwords are also elsewhere than ProtonPass.
If they treat it the way they do with Simplelogin, then you can choose to keep your accounts separate. Just the option to log in via your Proton account will be a future option if they end up including standard notes as a premium feature.
I’ve mentioned this issue a few times, then “But Proton has proven to be good! It’s OK” is the usual response, that’s when i remind them of how Google also used to be good. I don’t really use a notes taking app, but in general after Google, the idea of “one login, a gazillion apps” is something i dislike in principle because even if the one central authority doesn’t go evil, one login incident and you’re locked out of everything you depend on.
Yeah, I’ll continue using Protonmail but that’s likely all I’ll use from them and diversify on the rest.
Just create another account. What’s the problem?
