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Thanks for the summary!
I’m not a Kagi user but I see people enthusiastically promote it often on Lemmy so I thought it was worth sharing this. After doing this post I noticed it is on HN as well, with 100 comments : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40011314
the CEO sealioning after the author asked them not to contact them anymore is a bit icky, too.
I had no faith to lose. Its a search engine sign into. How could that be private.
They allegedly don’t know their user’s search queries. That’s how it’s allegedly private.
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Turns out Kagi does do advertising
They promote their search engine but their users don’t get to see ads. I don’t know what’s wrong about that. Every company advertises with its products. I don’t see what’s reprehensible about that.
We did not say we maintain anonmity, but privacy, which are two different things. For example. your parents may know everything about you, yet still respect your privacy.
They’re right, anonymity and privacy are two different things. Since you have to pay to use Kagi, you’re not anonymous. But they allegedly don’t know what you as the user search for when using their search engine. So they’re being honest here and how can honesty be bad here? Anyways, we’re on privacy@lemmy.ml, not anonymity@lemmy.ml or whatever.
“AI is mentioned zero times”
While I still give you this one, they’re technically correct. The word “AI” isn’t there but they mention AI features, haha. It’s a bit debatable since Vlad said “kagi.com” - which doesn’t mention AI or AI tools. Only when you go to the pricing page there are mentions of AI tools.
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Wow, those unsolicited emails are icky
TBH, OP sounds like a bit of an
entitled douche, edit: not the most appropriate descriptor, but I do think OP should try and look at the situation from another perspective.In their blog post they complained about lack of transparency and noted numerous issues with Kagi that caused them to lose faith in the company. The CEO personally responds to explain themselves (i.e. make things more transparent) and OP sticks their fingers in their ears and acts liked they’re a victim because the CEO attempts service recovery.
I’ve made public complaints about companies before. I wish I received such tailored and personalised responses.
Am I the only one thinking Lori comes across as a bit of a dick here?
What’s wrong with having boundaries?
I am suspicious of anything I see being pushed as heavily as Kagi is pushed by it’s alleged users.
We’re just vocal because we’ve been suffering over the enshittification of Google search for so long.
There are numerous other popular search engines out there though.
yeah they suck
Seems like this one is in good company then.
zing?
Well that sucks… that vlad dude is ehm… weird. I am happy with the service I am getting from Kagi, but such behaviour is not acceptable…
To me it’s understandable. Imagine you start a project like this that grows over the years and you even have some employees after a while. Now someone writes an article about your project with accusations that are wrong (at least in your mind). Wouldn’t you be pissed either? At least I can’t imagine anyone who could just ignore that.
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I spun up a docker container for searxng
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Im with Kagi on this. Wtf is wrong with someone sending you emails to an email you decided to make public. This person is projecting how fragile their argument is by reacting this way.
Vlad was doing the right thing discussing it in private first before they probably address this stupid attempt at causing drama. I read all of the shit they posted and it sounds to me like they are nitpicking/strawmanning AI features which are very VERY optional.
Wtf is wrong with someone sending you emails to an email you decided to make public
there’s nothing wrong with that. continuously messaging someone after being told more than once that the recipient doesn’t want to continue the conversation, though? that’s not okay.
I get that but it’s a dick move by the author of that article to publicly speak bad about a product and then don’t even wanna listen to what that person who made that product has to say to defend it. Especially if there’s some false information that get’s spread by that article. I’m not saying anything written in that article is true or false - just explaining the situation from Vlad’s view.
that article
it’s a post on a personal blog of a person on the internet. a blog post. not an article.
Blog post or article - whatever. The effect is the same: It’s on the internet, people read it and get influenced. Just because I picked the wrong word doesn’t kill my point. I’m sure you get what I meant.
What kind of non argument is that lol
I use it primarily because of the fact that I can pay with cryptocurrency and I wish to support more companies that take cryptocurrency directly. I do wish it were Monero instead of Bitcoin, but since I can just do an instant swap to convert from one to the other, it’s at least okay. Proton is the same way.
Just wanted to let you know that I am starting a new business selling bagged air. I accept Crypto! $1000 annual fee for unlimited air.
You can’t have my hard-earned crypto. Provide a useful service, and we might talk.
Seems like people making people mistakes. Not anything horrific.
Conflicted! Cory Doctorow just endorsed it & I’m way less smart than that person so i usually do what they say :\
Cory Doctorow, seems like a really nice, important and smart fellow but has his weak moments as well :-) https://pluralistic.net/2024/02/05/cyber-dunning-kruger/#swiss-cheese-security
it’s very likely that Cory didn’t have enough time to do research, visit the company’s Discord, and so on.
Rule of thumb is don’t judge anyone by their discord
when it’s listed as one of the company’s official communication channels with the owner of the company frequently participating, then I sure as hell am going to judge the company by it.
I’m still considering giving it a try. I’ve been using the free perplexity app to do all my searching with recently and that’s worked pretty well, but not perfect.
I’ve been using both Perplexity and Kagi for searching things, and it’s working out pretty well for me. The main thing that I find Kagi useful for is filtering to Fediverse results (which tends to be mostly Lemmy threads).
It’s pretty expensive though…
Just try it. You can always cancel your subscription if you don’t like it (or just pay once without subscribing). I’ve been using it for half a year now and absolutely love it.
