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dvdnet62 ( dvdnet62@feddit.nl )  to Technology@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 years ago

Microsoft starts testing ads in the Windows 11 Start menu

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Microsoft starts testing ads in the Windows 11 Start menu

www.theverge.com

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  • Gormadt ( Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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    Cool

    I’m learning more and more about Linux while using Linux Mint

    It’s pretty cool NGL

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      asdfasfasf

  • stevedidwhat_infosec ( stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub ) 
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    HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THIS LESSON OLD MAN

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      Every time.

      Because this old man hasn’t learnt the lesson…

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        We love a good call to arms, what more can be said

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    Although not the same, this has been going on for about two years now. Jensen Harris, a former MS engineer, criticized the ads as well as the design of the new Start Menu, over here: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1564399431545667585.html

    • Altima NEO ( altima_neo@lemmy.zip ) 
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      Weren’t they doing this as far back as windows 8?

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    • cmnybo ( cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
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      Windows 11 looks like a crappy knockoff of KDE with all the good bits removed and replaced with spyware and adware.

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        It looks much better actually, with the fancy blur and transparency effects. Not to say it works better than Linux, and I’m sure it must be possible to customise KDE to look better.

    • MajorHavoc ( MajorHavoc@programming.dev ) 
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      I had the same issue holding me back from giving up Windows, until I discovered the Python keyboard module.

      How to bind key presses to it varies, but here’s a recipe for Ubuntu, as an example:

      https://askubuntu.com/questions/525482/how-can-i-assign-a-keyboard-shortcut-for-the-script-that-i-have-created#525495

      Overall, it’s not quite as elegant, as AutoHotKey, but it’s ultimately a more powerful, since there’s so much else I can also do from the same Python script.

      Edit: Most notably, I don’t recall AutoHotKey having any nice way to tell which apps are open, and Python can quickly call out to ps. It’s been on my to-do list to leverage this to let me map keybindings according to what is open (i.e. a favorite game, or a move player.)

      • theonyltruemupf ( theonyltruemupf@feddit.de ) 
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        KDE can do that without third party software I believe.

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      @tsonfeir But Linux does not have AutoHotkey. This is the biggest deal-breaker for me by far. AutoKey seems be the closest thing, but it’s such a massive pain to even try to use by comparison.

      • golden_zealot ( golden_zealot@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Depending on your usage, perhaps this re-implementation of AHK for Linux might be of use to you.

        https://github.com/phil294/AHK_X11

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          Interesting, thanks. I think ultimately, seeing this port’s adherence to AHK v1 syntax, I’d just have to bite the bullet and learn Python or something, though…

          Never mind, I’ve since stumbled across xdotool!

      • Contend6248 ( Contend6248@feddit.de ) 
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        Fuck me, there is no worse way automating things

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          Do you have any as-convenient alternative? It’s way easier to use than Python or anything else, and it’s sped up some of my work procedures by, like, 7x. I use it for dozens of text expansion strings, autocorrect, address typers, mouse-clickers, etc.

          Never mind, I’ve since stumbled across xdotool! I suppose this may be doable after all…

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    • Contend6248 ( Contend6248@feddit.de ) 
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      And my houshold 😁

      Ther is for sure a 2.5k line powershell script from someone totally trustworthy which fixes this issue though

    • Ahri Boy ( ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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      The French National Police also use Linux machines with its modified Ubuntu distro Gendbuntu.

      Plus, Russia uses Astra, based on vanilla Debian.

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        Not like Russia can legally nor want to be dependant on MS/american software.

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      Which distro are the Germans switching to?

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        • Umbrias ( Umbrias@beehaw.org ) 
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          It won’t be a security risk once it’s in use, IT across Germany will know within days of deployment. It will almost definitely be a modified version of some probably well known Linux.

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            • Umbrias ( Umbrias@beehaw.org ) 
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              I don’t think it really matters whether a potential adversary has a ‘head start’ all that much, security through obscurity doesn’t work super well when it’s going to be deployed to thousands of easily accessible devices anyway. It’d only just be a defense in depth, but even then meh. But it’s neither here nor there, they’ll do it whatever way they feel is best.

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                • Umbrias ( Umbrias@beehaw.org ) 
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                  Social engineering is to gain access circumventing downcode, not really “get a head start”…

                  Most attacks are entirely social engineering. You’re not breaking into secure databases by pulling ridiculous zero day backdoors when it’s much easier to convince an intern to download a file or give you access directly. These super involved attacks are state actors, and no amount of trying to hide what Linux version is being modified will do anything for you there.

                  State actors of course also use social engineering

                  Ultimately the point is hacking really doesn’t involve the kind of subterfuge you’re describing here in a way where " what Linux is it " matters at all. I mean, windows is used for secure systems across the world, it’s hardly secretive.

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  • kirbowo808 ( kirbowo808@kbin.social ) 
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    This is why Linux rules tbh, little to no rules what so ever in terms of customizing your desktop whilst also not having shit like this too like having so much bloat and constant ads, like telling you to install edge everytime whilst protecting your privacy too.

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      linux rules because it’s the only os built for its users rather than some company stocks

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          a rounding error on my part, sorry 😋

          More seriously, I was thinking more of foss desktop environments and user programs (which are basically the same all over) than about the actual os - thanks for correcting me

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          🤫 we don’t mention BSD out of reverence.

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              illumos!

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                  After looking a bit more it seems like illumos is mostly the kernel, and openIndiana is one of the maintained distros.

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        Absolutely!

  • obsolete ( obsolete@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    This is amusing. They might as well replace the wallpaper with an ad.

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      They have on the lockscreen already, so not too far off

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        Done already, they are ahead of you guys Pic

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    Thank you microsoft for doing bad changes to the windows operating system im sure linux users will enjoy this

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    Killing myself one day🤦‍♂️

    MESSAGE FOR EVERYONE : Just switch to Linux 😃

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      Why yourself? Let M$ kill itself.

      Anti Commercial-AI license

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        You’re right 😂

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    Cool. I just started testing Nobara

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    If you have to stay on windows check out: https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu

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      Better

      https://github.com/hellzerg/optimizer/blob/master/README.md

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        This or CTT’s Winutil? Which is better?

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          Also good, it does almost the same, but I think, for what I’ve seen, that the Optimizer is way more easy and intuitive to use and has some more features.

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        This looks like it is solving a different problem but also useful. If you are saying it is better to disable everything and keep the original start bar. I prefer disabling everything and keeping a consistent start bar style from yesteryear. Either way thanks for the link. I’ll added it to my tool list!

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    Aight time to try and learn Linux for the 10th time and see if someone without strong console knowledge can use one now.

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      I’ve been using it for a few months now and only rarely I used console and it was just to paste some commands for something. So yeah, I don’t think that you really need to know howbto use console if you don’t need to do anything that specifically needs it.

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        Rarely is still too much for me.
        If I do regular joe stuff, I don’t want to be required to go into the terminal.

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          I had to often look up how to do stuff on windows because of it’s trash UX so it’s an absolute W for me. But I can understand that terminal may look too scary/complicated to some ppl.

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            Oh Windows is certainly not exempt from the issue. Not at all.

            Personally I don’t have any issue with the terminal but sometimes I am totally not in the mood to research yet another time why or how to run anything.
            Also I prefer Word way too much over Libre/OpenOffice.
            Only if they had a word-like theme and translation to achieve what I want in a word-like behaviour it could tempt me to switch the tools.

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              Ye, seems fair. In my case I just couldn’t bear with windows anymore and switched.

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                Maybe maybe for me.
                For now I am content with Linux debian as my NAS/server OS and Windows as the user OS.

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              It is called onlyoffice

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          You shouldn’t have to.

          I live near exclusively in the console because it’s my work and I love it, it’s WAY more efficient than the GUI, but last time I actually NEEDED the console? I can’t remember, honestly.

          Also are you trying to say you never needed to figure something out on windows? Granted, I don’t read much about it because fuck Windows, but I remember windows Registry headaches, is that still a thing? Just copy paste these base64 codes in the registry in these UUID keys, which literally would be impossible to learn, and it will fix it, super easy!

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            At least not for the regular joe stuff I do.
            Obviously I tinker with my install and am not shy about reverting to a backup if I know it will be highly intrusive.
            For the not so regular joe stuff close to the pro-sumer region you probably will have to research just about anything if you want to achieve something.

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              You have to learn a little for any task, so people saying that they don’t want to learn something is a bit weird.

              Linux really isn’t more complicated than windows. Actually, after 25 years of Linux desktop, looking at windows it’s frustrating complication after complication.

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                I am not desinterested to learn.
                It just doesnt make sense to always have a need to enter the CLI for stuff regular users want to do.
                Let the power toys be under the hood, no problem with that. But the regular folks don’t even grasp the idea to find out how to change the IP of their regular windows PC for something they want.

                Linux is currently developed by tech enthusiasts for mostly tech enthusiasts. Who tells the (by the way awesome) maintainers to stop and think what they develop in that particular way?
                Even a group of maintainers might fall into the trap to develop something in such a way that it overwhelms the regular user.

                IMO what it needs is resiliency against those users and more aim to make it idiot proof (for them) and make it more an actual daily driver that first has a GUI for the most common tools and then the CLI if needed

                looking at windows it’s frustrating complication after complication.

                Tell that a Windows admin and that admin might say the same about you and your OS.
                In the end, everyones wants it their way.

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    I think that this betrays their plans: Windows will go “free with ads”, with an ad-free version that is subscription only. That doesn’t hurt their bottomline since the governments and companies of the western world will still go subscription in order to get support. The ones who don’t have enough money for that (individuals, small countries/companies, small municipalities), they will go “free with ads”. I mean, practically, Windows is free even right now. They have oem serial numbers that activate the OS for free, legally, to be reused. So why not make it profitable, it’s their thinking. Also, on newer builds of Win11 you can’t avoid logging in without an msn account.

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      That is the Trap. Pre-installed Windows is not free, you pay for it in the price of the PC, the same PC without OS is almost ~€100 cheaper. A lot of vendors offer now PC only with FreeDOS, where you can select to install Linux, paying only the CD or USB or install Windows, paying it’s license (€100-120).

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    This is pretty much how you destroy a good product. Hello Linux!

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