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- RotatingParts ( @RotatingParts@lemmy.ml ) English66•7 months ago
People need to stop thinking about Republicans vs. Democrats and starting think in terms of people vs. the government. We might be able to make positive change if we united.
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 61•7 months ago
*People vs the rich. There, fify.
- bdonvr ( @bdonvr@thelemmy.club ) 5•7 months ago
In our currently reality this really isn’t a distinction
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 2•7 months ago
I can see where you’re coming from. Imo, it is very much different things. The government is a bunch of people who were elected by people. They were coerced and influences before so I’m not saying fair elections. The rich are mostly people who inherited money and exploited a bunch of people to get more money, over generations.
Imo, there is a biiiig distinction. The former are incompetent at best and malicious at worst. The latter are a problem by definition and on top are malicious at best and actively cruel at worst.
- hackerwacker ( @hackerwacker@lemmy.ml ) 21•7 months ago
No, the government is huge, and most parts of it really don’t care about your data. They’re busy buildings roads, sewers and doing fundamental research. It’s really people vs the national security state.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English14•7 months ago
Its not the government that’s the problem. It is unchecked power and tyranny.
- CableMonster ( @CableMonster@lemmy.ml ) 1•7 months ago
I think this is a chicken and egg situation, the more government the more it will morph into something bad for a portion of the people.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English5•7 months ago
As it turns out you need a strong government with today’s world. You can’t get away with a small isolated country town like you could back when the US was starting out.
- CableMonster ( @CableMonster@lemmy.ml ) 1•7 months ago
How do you know? How many good and bad wars has the US been involved in the last 100 years?
- rothaine ( @rothaine@lemm.ee ) 3•7 months ago
It’s actually people vs. corporations vs. the government, and the corporations keep bribing the refs
- delirious_owl ( @delirious_owl@discuss.online ) 2•7 months ago
Unfortunately the fascists were the ones that tried to overthrow the government
- davel [he/him] ( @davel@lemmy.ml ) English25•7 months ago
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024119
Party Ayes Noes Present Not Voting Republican 126 88 0 4 Democratic 147 59 0 7 TOTAL 273 147 0 11 - GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 17•7 months ago
That’s why I say that 2 parties is almost the same as 1 party
- jkrtn ( @jkrtn@lemmy.ml ) 15•7 months ago
FPTP voting is keeping us from having a functioning and free country.
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 2•7 months ago
You need more candidates and a simpler applying process first. 2 tour election won’t help in the current situation
- jkrtn ( @jkrtn@lemmy.ml ) 4•7 months ago
Simply having something sane like score voting would make third party candidates viable and would increase the people attempting to run even with a difficult application process. We can then work on making it easier to apply.
It’s literally just replace FPTP with score (or even ranked choice) and things would improve from there even without other changes to the election system.
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 1•7 months ago
Tbh I don’t understand any difference between FPTP and other kinds of voting. As I understood, the only difference is the absence of 2nd tour in the first one (you get the most votes - you win)
- jkrtn ( @jkrtn@lemmy.ml ) 1•7 months ago
- fmstrat ( @fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com ) English1•7 months ago
In this topic. Can’t extend this vote to cover others.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English1•7 months ago
And yet people say conservatives won’t vote to stop surveillance. I think we need to stop thinking about political lines. The drama with Trump definitely opened some eyes.
- jkrtn ( @jkrtn@lemmy.ml ) 9•7 months ago
But they didn’t vote to stop surveillance? It was not stopped. They are the majority and they did not stop it.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English2•7 months ago
True but its better than the complete bipartisan support it used to have
- jkrtn ( @jkrtn@lemmy.ml ) 2•7 months ago
These are like Lauren Bobo, Gaetz, and Green. This is unfortunately not a principled stance but instead because their cult leader told them to “KILL FISA!” IDK if better is the word. It is certainly a broken clock that was correct about that particular time of day.
- Uriel238 [all pronouns] ( @uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 9•7 months ago
What terrifies me is AG and DG from the Daily Beans seemed to celebrate it.
The neolibs are not on the side of the public.
- sqgl ( @sqgl@beehaw.org ) 3•7 months ago
I am confused were the amendments to stop warrantless surveillance passed or not?
The amendment… would ban warrantless surveillance of US persons…
…Additional amendments… all passed.
- onlinepersona ( @onlinepersona@programming.dev ) English2•7 months ago
The USAian system needs a major overhaul. What worked 200 years ago for the right is working even better for them now.