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minnix ( minnix@lemux.minnix.dev )  to Privacy@lemmy.mlEnglish · 3 years ago

US House approves FISA renewal – warrantless surveillance and all

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US House approves FISA renewal – warrantless surveillance and all

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  • RotatingParts ( RotatingParts@lemmy.ml ) 
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    People need to stop thinking about Republicans vs. Democrats and starting think in terms of people vs. the government. We might be able to make positive change if we united.

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      *People vs the rich. There, fify.

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        In our currently reality this really isn’t a distinction

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          I can see where you’re coming from. Imo, it is very much different things. The government is a bunch of people who were elected by people. They were coerced and influences before so I’m not saying fair elections. The rich are mostly people who inherited money and exploited a bunch of people to get more money, over generations.

          Imo, there is a biiiig distinction. The former are incompetent at best and malicious at worst. The latter are a problem by definition and on top are malicious at best and actively cruel at worst.

    • hackerwacker ( hackerwacker@lemmy.ml ) 
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      No, the government is huge, and most parts of it really don’t care about your data. They’re busy buildings roads, sewers and doing fundamental research. It’s really people vs the national security state.

    • Possibly linux ( possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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      Its not the government that’s the problem. It is unchecked power and tyranny.

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        I think this is a chicken and egg situation, the more government the more it will morph into something bad for a portion of the people.

        • Possibly linux ( possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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          As it turns out you need a strong government with today’s world. You can’t get away with a small isolated country town like you could back when the US was starting out.

          • CableMonster ( CableMonster@lemmy.ml ) 
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            How do you know? How many good and bad wars has the US been involved in the last 100 years?

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      It’s actually people vs. corporations vs. the government, and the corporations keep bribing the refs

    • delirious_owl ( delirious_owl@discuss.online ) 
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      Unfortunately the fascists were the ones that tried to overthrow the government

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    https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2024119

    Party Ayes Noes Present Not Voting
    Republican 126 88 0 4
    Democratic 147 59 0 7
    TOTAL 273 147 0 11
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        FPTP voting is keeping us from having a functioning and free country.

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            Simply having something sane like score voting would make third party candidates viable and would increase the people attempting to run even with a difficult application process. We can then work on making it easier to apply.

            It’s literally just replace FPTP with score (or even ranked choice) and things would improve from there even without other changes to the election system.

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                https://www.equal.vote/problem

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        In this topic. Can’t extend this vote to cover others.

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      And yet people say conservatives won’t vote to stop surveillance. I think we need to stop thinking about political lines. The drama with Trump definitely opened some eyes.

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        But they didn’t vote to stop surveillance? It was not stopped. They are the majority and they did not stop it.

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          True but its better than the complete bipartisan support it used to have

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            These are like Lauren Bobo, Gaetz, and Green. This is unfortunately not a principled stance but instead because their cult leader told them to “KILL FISA!” IDK if better is the word. It is certainly a broken clock that was correct about that particular time of day.

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    What terrifies me is AG and DG from the Daily Beans seemed to celebrate it.

    The neolibs are not on the side of the public.

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    I am confused were the amendments to stop warrantless surveillance passed or not?

    The amendment… would ban warrantless surveillance of US persons…

    …Additional amendments… all passed.

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    The USAian system needs a major overhaul. What worked 200 years ago for the right is working even better for them now.

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