• OpenStars ( OpenStars@discuss.online ) English
          23·
          3 years ago

          Not technically no, though neither does it fully embrace the spirit of FOSS either. Anyway I was explaining the appearance of those two being at odds with one another in the meme. Anyone who does not enjoy meme content can simply block this community and move on with the serious side of life.:-)

          • ᗪᗩᗰᑎ ( KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml ) 
            8·
            3 years ago

            Correct me if I’m wrong but does FOSS not simply mean the following?

            software that is available under a license that grants the right to use, modify, and distribute the software, modified or not, to everyone free of charge

            source: Wikipedia

            From my understanding AOSP’s license grants all those rights. I think what you might be opposed to is that it isn’t developed out in the open, which is a fair criticism.

            • Ephera ( Ephera@lemmy.ml ) 
              17·
              3 years ago

              Well, they wrote the “spirit of FOSS” and you pulled out a completely sterile definition, which has no spirit at all.

              At the very least, even with that sterile definition, embracing the spirit would mean making all the software you’re distributing FOSS. Instead, Google has been doing all kinds of bundle deals and whatnot to ensure that most distributions of their FOSS software come with their proprietary parts.

              However, going further in embracing the spirit, particularly the “free software” part of FOSS is idealistic. It doesn’t just fulfill that definition to fulfill that definition. Rather, it sees that definition as the baseline, to help ensure that the freedom of users is respected.

              AOSP, despite being under an appropriate license, does not respect that freedom.
              For example, many users would want their keyboard app (which has access to their typed passwords) to not have internet access. AOSP has a myriad of permissions, but not for internet access, since Google wants their ads to be displayed.

              In theory, the license ensures that AOSP can be forked, and Custom ROMs do soft-fork it (i.e. make slight amendments to what Google puts out), but due to how much development Google puts into Android rather than there being a development community, it’s effectively not viable for anyone to truly hard-fork AOSP (i.e. take it into a new direction, independent from Google).

    • moon ( moon@lemmy.ml ) 
      35·
      3 years ago

      You still get a lot of the old ‘android is for poor people’ narrative. Age and sub-culture also play a part.

      Drake, one of the most commercially successful musicians in the past 15 years, released a song where he says he wouldn’t answer a call from a woman because she was calling him from an android.

      That song came out just 6 months ago (Oct 2023) and was number one on the charts. A ton of young people will have heard that and been influenced on some level by it, so the Apple fanboy/android hater thing probably won’t be going away any time soon

      • BolexForSoup ( BolexForSoup@kbin.social ) 
        1·
        3 years ago

        Fanboys are not the same as people flaunting wealth. I generally see fanboys as advocates for the product and its feature sets. There is no doubt a lot of people by iPhone because of the image of wealth it displays and because it’s an easy decision if you have disposable income from a “set it and forget it” standpoint. The green vs blue text nonsense illustrates that clearly.

        It’s like buying designer handbags. They’re still functional handbags and you don’t have to think about it. But it’s primarily about what the brand says about you. I just don’t consider this the domain of “fanboys.” Like I don’t describe Nintendo fanboys as people who buy Nintendo to show off they own Nintendo products. They buy it because they are staunch advocates of Nintendo and its games, as well as generally unable to critique the company or any of its products, usually electing to constantly talk about how everyone else is terrible and Nintendo is perfect and loves them.

        • helpmyusernamewontfi ( helpmyusernamewontfi@lemmy.today ) OP
          1·
          3 years ago

          Fanboys are not the same as people flaunting wealth.

          while they are not the same, a lot of people who use either Apple or Samsung are both, and will constantly fight against right to repair when they don’t know what they’re even talking about, for very stupid reasons, and constantly fight against open standards that are just better, like using type-c for their products, etc etc. these people buy iPhones for the image of wealth, I agree, but these same people also argue about its apps and ecosystem’s and argue that rich, trillion dollar companies are fine and pose no threat, because it is completely fine to be a monopoly and choke hold the industry. they defend their status symbol in every opportunity they get, and often times I’ve seen them make it personal, probably because its personal for them.

          sometimes I see these same people who buy Apple as a show of “wealth,” get into those political arguments when they just have no idea what they’re talking about, because for some reason they want to defend the status symbol Apple or Samsing is even if it kills people and the planet.

          That’s just my observation over the years.

      • BolexForSoup ( BolexForSoup@kbin.social ) 
        4·
        3 years ago

        I’ve written this a couple of times now, so this is gonna be the last one: it’s not about the wealth it displays, the conspicuous consumption.

        Consider the term “Nintendo fanboy.” Do they buy it because of the image? To impress everybody that they own Nintendo products? No, they defend Nintendo and are staunch advocates of the company and their games, unwilling to be critical or consider where other companies/products might be better. They’re basically zealots for a product. Cost and what it says about your status are not top of mind.

        There are people who buy Apple products for the social image, to flaunt wealth. That is not the same as the fanboy.

    • FiniteLooper ( FiniteLooper@lemm.ee ) English
      3·
      3 years ago

      I think that’s because pretty much everything just happens on the internet now. Most specialized applications are either built cross platform or are a website, so it really doesn’t matter what you use that much. It’s just down to personal preference

    • pimeys ( pimeys@lemmy.nauk.io ) 
      1·
      3 years ago

      If you follow a certain orange website, until very recently there’s been a big group of apologists who protect the big and mighty if any bad news surfaced.

      This has started to change, but the change is very recent. And in the startup ecosystem using a Mac is a standard and if you do not like them, you are considered weird and the latest social note keeping tool everybody else uses in the company has severe bugs on Linux, if it even works.

  • pedz ( pedz@lemmy.ca ) 
    17·
    3 years ago

    If I need to choose, I’ll go with Android but to be quite frank, I would really prefer to have a “real” computer operating system on those devices. For 10+ years I’ve been waiting for a device that I can put in my pocket, use it on the go, with a data connection, and have the possibility to dock it and continue using it as a full fledged computer, with Linux if possible.

    I know some high end Android devices can be “docked” and connected to a monitor, but they are far too expensive and/or too rare. Also, you still have to use apps instead of proper computer software. I don’t like the “everything is an app” model, where they all have to have ads and/or paid versions. Android and “mobile” operating systems are a pain to use. I want to have control over my device.

    And I also know there are some devices that can to this, but with the level of technology that we have, a device like this should be easy to find. Yet, it’s all niche stuff that isn’t really polished nor working really well. It’s all damn phones and tablets with “mobile” operating systems that locks users. I wonder if phone/tablet manufacturers keep it that way because there’s no demand for this, or if they simply want to continue the milking of the mobile users.

    • darkphotonstudio ( darkphotonstudio@beehaw.org ) 
      8·
      3 years ago

      This! Mobile operating systems are trash, and there’s no good reason for it. I always see people parroting the same nonsense, “you have the power of a super computer in your pocket”. Okay, then why can’t I use it like a supercomputer? It’s all crippled toy versions of the desktop applications, social media garbage, or microtransaction stuffed toilet games.

    • Rikolan ( Rikolan@lemm.ee ) 
      3·
      3 years ago

      I still am grumpy about Microsoft killing their windows phone line. Not the regular ones, but rather the ones that allowed you to dock it to a display and use a slightly stripped down Windows OS on a full screen. It could’ve actually changed how we use phones/ computers, but instead we have to have a separate device for everything we do.

      Phones are already powerful enough to run desktop apps, but I guess it’s down to profits why we still don’t have a “swiss army knife” of a device for everything.

  • kibiz0r ( kibiz0r@midwest.social ) English
    13·
    3 years ago

    “Google is insidious. They’re really an advertising data-collection company, but people think they’re a tech service company. Their whole strategy is to provide stuff like Chrome for free so that lots of people use it and it becomes a de facto standard, and then they flip a switch and quietly mine all of that data.”

    15 minutes later…

    “Anyway, I prefer Android cuz it’s FOSS.”

    • scoobford ( scoobford@lemmy.zip ) 
      17·
      3 years ago

      People who prefer android because it’s open source usually use open source android because that’s what they want.

      That being said, proprietary blobs and black boxes are a pox on basically every usable device these days. I hate it.

  • JasonDJ ( JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ) 
    8·
    3 years ago

    They pit us against each other in this arbitrary culture-war…the proprietary versus the open standards. And it’s so wildly anti-consumer but we fall for it, year after year. Maybe one day Apple users will realize how anti-consumer it is, but I doubt it, they love the exclusivity of being half of the people with a smartpbone.

      • JasonDJ ( JasonDJ@lemmy.zip ) 
        2·
        3 years ago

        Apple as an OS and platform itself, isn’t bad. macOS, I’d contend, is probably the most user-friendly experience out there. iOS and iPadOS aren’t far behind.

        Apple also tends to be late with new features, but makes sure they are polished and complete when they launch.

        But that’s it. I wouldn’t say that makes them the best by any means. They all have their merits in their own regard. Consumers have their own reasons for selecting one platform over another, and those that don’t choose Apple.

        Sent from my OnePlus 12 (and I use Arch, btw) (and my last phone was an iPhone 12 pro max…the only reason I got it was because I was sick of exchanging potatograms with my wife, who wouldn’t use a separate app just to message me. Before that it was a OnePlus 6T, then Galaxy S9, Note 4, Nexus 4, and HTC Hero. Might’ve missed one) (oh yeah had an iPhone 5 from work. Couldn’t wait to exchange that (for the Note 4).

  • toastal ( toastal@lemmy.ml ) 
    7·
    3 years ago

    This is the reason you shouldn’t choose a chat platform that requires the using the mobile OS duopoly—get your friends off of LINE, WhatsApp, & Signal.

  • Simon ( Simon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
    3·
    3 years ago

    Lol I can’t understand how you get so many upvotes but when I make a meme everybody’s like “what’s a stan???” Linux users are some of the most antisocial people on the planet.