We can’t let stopping climate change get in the way of capitalism!
That’s protectionism, not capitalism.
Tomato, tomato. The free market is a myth, there is no part of the economy that goes without manipulation. Anytime business owners can’t directly manipulate the market themselves they bribe governments to do it on their behalf.
That’s no true Scotsman.
No, protectionism exists outside of capitalism and even somewhat goes against the idea of capitalism, especially the free market kind.
That’s theoretical capitalism, in practice there is no free market.
That’s no true Scotsman.
'preciate it
Bait or brain damage. Call it
Ooh, good point.
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these actions already admit defeat
The rest of the world will get cheaper solar panels and EVs, that’s quite nice.
Cheap panels are tanking European competitors, but it’s probably too late to intervene at this point. Can’t compete with work camps and cheap slave labor.
There are parts of the world not EU and US. They would all benefit from cheap panels.
But EU and US are not really important: https://www.statista.com/statistics/668749/regional-distribution-of-solar-pv-module-manufacturing/ they account only for few percent of solar photovoltaic module production.
Wow, does that mean we are ramping up domestic production for these? No? Oh…
Classic Ronco politics
Also medical supplies, including masks, because COVID is Joever.
Edit to add: There is necessarily a lag between tariff imposition and indigenous production, and we’re left to fill that gap with our own wallets individually. Worse, the prices will almost definitely never come back down as they might in theory, because this is late-stage capitalism.
It’d be really funny if those raw milk drinkers started a bird flu pandemic during a medical PPE shortage 😂
You want Amerikkka to lead maybe subsidize EVs as well?
Why can’t we all win? (Ide rather bus/rail and walkable cities)
The government does subsidize EVs.
Additionally even used EVs are subsidized.
Between federal and state tax credits, as well as utility company rebates, my folks just got over 5k back for a used Nissan leaf. They were able to trade in their old clunker, netting a profit of a few hundred dollars to upgrade to a practical used EV.
For every voter who wants a habitable planet, a cheap electric car, or to catch covid less we lose, we’re gonna pick up two moderate republicans!
What a bell-end. Maybe instead of tariffs the US should begin vesting in education, job training, and research into these sectors so it can compete instead of trying to hobble the competition in the domestic market. This is just protectionism by a different name
Repeatedly stomping on my collection of rakes to own the commies
This dude really does not want to get reelected again. I hate that he’s the only choice. What a piece of shit.
“No” is always an option.
I’m not an accelerationist, so no, it’s not really an option. It’s cool that you feel like you have the ability to just say “no”, but I don’t. I have to live here, and if Trump gets elected then there is a very high chance I might find myself in a concentration camp before the end of his term, assuming he doesn’t find a way to abolish elections entirely.
So no, I don’t really have an option to just shove my thumb up my ass and refuse to vote.
Edit: Sorry about the double post, Lemmy was being weird.
There’s a very high chance I might find myself in a concentration camp before the end of Biden’s next term.
All that’s needed is for my red state to declare being trans to be a sex crime, the Supreme Court to decide 5-4 that it’s constitutional, and then I’m off to a farm. Biden and his supporters would do literally nothing and just use my internment in a camp as a fundraising pitch.
If you are arguing against voting, then I’d like to know: do you think your chances are better if Trump wins, if Biden wins, or do you believe they are indistinguishable? I’m having trouble understanding this.
I don’t think my chances are good under either President, but I also think Democrats are more likely to fight back if Trump wins. Trump saw the largest protest movement in American history. If the trans concentration camps happen under him then people will actually fight back. If they happen under Biden then people will just be told to vote harder next time so we can close the concentration camps! 🤮
Always have to vote for the furthest left that has a chance to win and hope enough others follow suit. Our system sucks, but the biggest thing holding us back is how far right the country currently is. Even though depressing, your attitude is currently our best shot and I appreciate that you’re one of the seemingly few on this platform willing to voice it.
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Support genocide of others to cover your own ass… increasing your own vulnerability in 4 years, because you fed the genocidal culture in DC.
Big brain moves /s
What, you think Trump is going to be different? Hell, you think there’ll be another election if he gets elected? I hate Biden. He’s done some good things, but he’s been a complete piece of shit regarding Gaza, and putting tariffs on Chinese EVs and solar panels because they’re “too cheap” is the icing on the cake. There are no good options, and not voting does literally nothing. If not voting actually changed anything, then we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with (a significant amount of the US doesn’t vote).
The reason why voting “neither” in the primaries got Biden’s attention was because it sent a message that said, “I want to vote for you (the Democrats), but I don’t like any of the candidates”. That message didn’t come from the people who didn’t vote, it came from the people who did vote, but chose to vote “neither”.
Not voting during the general election doesn’t send a message. They can’t glean how many people would have voted for Democrats if they’d had a better candidate from the number of people who didn’t vote. Those people could be Republicans who don’t like the Republican options, they could be Democrats who don’t like the Democrat options, they could be libertarians, communists, socialists, fascists, happy with either option or just straight-up lazy. They’re not mind-readers, and again, if not voting actually did anything, then the US wouldn’t be where we are now because a significant portion of the US does not vote.
Biden being elected may lead to more death in Gaza, and I don’t like that. However, the alternative is Trump, which will result in more death in Gaza (likely the eradication of Gaza’s remaining population), cutting aid to Ukraine, environmental destruction (paraphrasing: “we’re gonna start drilling day one”), the complete destruction of civil rights, attacks against anyone opposing him, attempts to seize unconditional power (again, paraphrasing because I can’t remember the exact quote: “I’m going to be a dictator on day one”), and more.
Biden sucks, but Trump is so unimaginably awful and destructive that I just can’t see anyone arguing against Biden as arguing in good faith. Either you’re an accelerationist who thinks Trump’s destruction of America will lead to a new and better world, you’re a Trump FUDdy, you’re a Russian/Chinese bot, or you’ve drunk the accelerationist’s koolaid without realizing what you’re supporting. The fact that, after everything that has been said, you think that we’d still have a chance to vote again if Trump gets elected is… mind-boggling.
I’m envious of your privilege. The implication that you can unironically support non-voting is that you’re privileged enough that you can weather the storm if Trump gets elected. I envy you. Not everyone has that kind of privilege.
Edit because I want to reiterate this to drive the point home: if not voting sent a message then we wouldn’t be in this mess because a significant portion of the US does not vote.
No one in the US will dive into major production of such things without a more guaranteed long term tariff. Not something that may go away within 5 years time. Also, there isn’t a snowballs chance in hell the US will be a world leader in solar production. We might dominate the US market.
Steel I get. That’s an environmental issue since US creation is way more carbon friendly. However the rest makes no sense without an announcement in domestic investment that is pulled from currently used non-environmental budgets.
Can someone explain to me how tariffs help us? Couldn’t I buy a Chinese EV cheaper if there were no tariffs.?
Correct. If there were no tariffs, you could buy a chinese EV for cheap. In this case for so cheap that the domestic US/Non-Chinese market cannot compete. So in order to protect these markets, the product needs to be made artificially more expensive with tariffs. This way, the domestic markets have a chance of competing.
However, this also isolates the country and provokes retaliation from the other side. This usually results in both sides sabotaging their trade relations with each other (for ex. with tariffs) which is called a trade war.
I would be surprised if China cares too much, there is the rest of the world that needs small cheap EVs and solar panels. But they must do something as response, that’s diplomacy.
I also don’t see the problem to put tariffs to protect domestic products, sometimes it is necessar, but prohibiting completely is not cool.
It doesn’t help you.
It helps Elon.
Yeah. That was my biggest gripe actually 😆🫠
Yeah but they dont want you to buy Chinese EVs, this essentially pushes non-chinese EVs (so US-made or ones from Europe)
If hes going to do that he should light a fire under the domestics asses to get our own evs up to snuff. And market competitive. None of that whining how it cannot be done either
That’s… That’s not how any of this works.
