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 sabreW4K3   ( @sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al )  to Privacy@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 year ago

Microsoft CEO of AI: Online content is 'freeware' for models • The Register

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  •  JCreazy   ( @JCreazy@midwest.social ) 
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    You heard it here folks. Microsoft says if you find something online, it’s free.

    •  toastal   ( @toastal@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Which is why I boycott as hard as I can every service this evil corporation provides (migrate your MS GitHub project away now so I can delete this account too)

      •  Rekorse   ( @Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        Microsoft is in a death spiral.

        Even my coworkers who are complete idiots with technology, who actively sabotage themselves every time they touch any piece of hardware and software, have soured entirely on nearly every Microsoft product across the board.

        Its funny how quickly people change their minds when they dont understand the technology on a deeper level. Its just: “this is frustrating now I hate it” and no further thought.

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          @Rekorse @toastal They just reach the same point as professionals, only 10 years later (+/- 2 years)

    •  ReduxFlakes   ( @redux@fosstodon.org ) 
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      @JCreazy @sabreW4K3 I have found a key for windows 11 together with its source code that means that its free now right? :ablobcatreach:

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    Fair, then everything I can find on the Internet must be freeware too. Set the sails, matey!

  •  GolfNovemberUniform   ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 
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    •  Possibly linux   ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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      I wouldn’t go that far. As it turns out AI is a buzz word and buzz words have little meaning

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        •  Possibly linux   ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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          I find LLMs very useful

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            •  Possibly linux   ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) 
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              I don’t care. They are really helpful for a many different tasks. It doesn’t pull that much power to run locally on my machine.

              •  Rekorse   ( @Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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                “See I like AI because I’m selfish. Also those bad things are in the past, I’m using an ethical AI system now! But also, who gives a fuck because I only care about myself!”

                Yeah you get it guy! Maybe you can be Trumps secretary of technology!

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        •  nooneescapesthelaw   ( @nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz ) 
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          If an LLM can save me 30 minutes writing nice emails and responses and help me brainstorm, debug, or elucidate my thoughts then it is very useful.

          •  Rekorse   ( @Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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            You really put 30 minutes of your own time above all of downsides this has for the rest of us who don’t have a use for it (most of the world)?

            •  nooneescapesthelaw   ( @nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz ) 
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              What downsides are there?

              •  Rekorse   ( @Rekorse@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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                All of the resources and energy spent to get you this product you like. You can’t discount what it took to create something just because the final product is small and efficient. Take a look at the manufacturing footprint of nearly all complex hardware.

                I’m not saying you created the AI but you are one of its supporters, without which there would be no AI.

                If this was all just pitched as developing a new plain English coding language, I think the hype following it would be far more appropriate, but then the funding wouldn’t follow to support the massive development costs of AI.

                Its become a circle of hype chasing money chasing hype.

                Its not you that is the problem so to speak though, its the collective “you’s” who think the same way.

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                  I’m not discounting it. Improving productivity for office workers by 1% across the world is a massive amount

                  The power used to train the AI is alot, but after that using the AI uses a lot less electricity, if an AI spikes my gpu by 10 seconds to type something that would have taken me 30 minutes, I’ve saved on electricity:

                  https://arxiv.org/abs/2303.06219

  •  Annoyed_🦀   ( @Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc ) 
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    It’s freeware until someone else take m$ content without paying them, then it’s copyright infringement.

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    From the article:

    Also, in 2022, several unidentified developers sued OpenAI and GitHub based on claims that the organizations used publicly posted programming code to train generative models in violation of software licensing terms

    They can argue about it not being a copy all they want. If there is a single GPL licenced line of code scraped then anything they produce is a derivative work & must be licenced GPL.

    nice.

    •  unwarlikeExtortion   ( @unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml ) 
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      The only way I can see them weaseling out of this is by keeping the program running the model made in-house and proprietary while releasing the model in a format unusable without the base (proprietary) program. But maybe the GPL forbids such obfuscstion efforts (I don’t know, I haven’t studied it in detail)

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        GPL v2 don’t, which lead to tivoization. But Linus himself didn’t agree with that standing.

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    So Windows XP source code leak is now freeware?

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    Sure thing…now GPL/Creative Commons all your code involved in any way for your models, documentation, parameters, data sets, and allow full unlimited integration and modification by any parties to any portion of it.

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    Wow the head of AI for MS doesn’t know what the word freeware means.

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      The definition is being changed by Microsoft

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    He seems to be confusing “freeware”, which is basically a license for copyrighted work, with “public domain”, which is the absence of a copyright.

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        Thats a great way to put it in a simple way: its wrong to use other peoples content for things they did not expect they would be.

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    I went into a smidge more detail over on my Mastodon last night, but my response is summed up as “WTAF? No! Freeware is an explicit license, as anyone from the BBS days will recall.”

    •  Zoop   ( @Zoop@beehaw.org ) 
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      Would you mind sharing a link to it here if it’s not any trouble? (Or your handle if that’s easier for you) I’m always looking for new stuff to check out and new people to follow on Mastodon

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    The social contract? Tf. The social contract still required attribution in almost all cases for creative work unless explicitlf stated otherwise—especially in the case of comercial products like ChatGPT—so I don’t know where this joker is getting his ideas.

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    Friends don’t let Friends use Microsoft products. If you’re using Windows you’re finding this awful organisation. Shame on you.

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