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cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/16595505
- Home routing and encryption technologies are making lawful interception harder for Europol
- PET-enabled home routing allows for secure communication, hindering law enforcement’s ability to intercept and monitor communications
- Europol suggests solutions such as disabling PET technologies and implementing cross-border interception standards to address the issue.
- BumpingFuglies ( @BumpingFuglies@lemmy.zip ) English100•2 months ago
“The issue” that needs addressing is the obsession our governments have with spying on us.
- wallmenis ( @wallmenis@lemmy.one ) English14•2 months ago
What confuses me is that we, the people, have the upper hand according to democracy. So no classified information should exist within the people for democracy to function propperly.
- kylian0087 ( @kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 24•2 months ago
Except that their are so many people that have no idea how the internet or such technologies work. And happily hand over their private lives cause “nothing to hide” BS.
- Haui ( @Haui@discuss.tchncs.de ) 14•2 months ago
Also brainwashing. People get their ideas from other people. Some through books, some through those they call experts but we‘re very easily influenced. Getting blasted with biased shows and commercials that show us how „fair“ law enforcement is makes people easy targets for pushing dangerous laws.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English6•2 months ago
Whoa, take it easy there. You wouldn’t want to awaken John Lock
- wallmenis ( @wallmenis@lemmy.one ) English2•2 months ago
I really didnt think much when I sent this. I should remember next time so that I don’t become the next target of the NSA
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English2•2 months ago
dies
- The Doctor ( @drwho@beehaw.org ) English3•2 months ago
- yeehaw ( @cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca ) 46•2 months ago
“lawful interception” is a fallacy.
- The Doctor ( @drwho@beehaw.org ) English3•2 months ago
De facto, if not in absolute.
There’s a dirty secret of telecom I found out working for a telco some years back: CALEA compliance is used more by unknown third parties more than actual law enforcement. When we’d get a subpoena for a CALEA wiretap, as often as not we’d just patch our logger into a pre-existing wiretap as configure a switch to enable one on a particular trunk, cable, and pair.
- Em Adespoton ( @adespoton@lemmy.ca ) 21•2 months ago
Endemic end-to-end encryption just means that everyone is now protected from interception.
I’ve been using PGP and friends since the 90s. Most people who LE should be targeting for investigation have likewise been using strong encryption since the 90s.
Most cases get a break due to the failure of opsec or due to chance or standard gruelling detective work and the fact that people are social animals.
So what exactly is Europol arguing here?
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English10•2 months ago
They probably want to bust people in bulk
- sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@beehaw.org ) 7•2 months ago
They don’t even want to bust them. They just want to intercept
- FaceDeer ( @FaceDeer@fedia.io ) 18•2 months ago
We’re back to “privacy is a good thing even if it enables ‘criminals’”? Yesterday there was rather a lot of negativity towards GNU Taler and other means of transferring money privately because it enabled tax evasion and such.
- sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@beehaw.org ) 7•2 months ago
Gnu taler doesn’t enable tax evasion if I am not mistaken. Vendors income is public I think.
- makeasnek ( @makeasnek@lemmy.ml ) English11•2 months ago
“Enable tax evasion” = “Not let the government have 100% viewability of every financial transaction you ever made”? You mean, like cash, a system of payment we have used for over 100 years? We should get rid of that because it “enables tax evasion”?
No thanks, I’d rather live in a world where I can give my friend $5 for buy me some snacks at the store without the government having to get involved. I’d rather not have, at a time when we are experiencing democratic backsliding, my least favorite political party, who happens to be in charge at the moment, be able to see the entirety of the inflows and outflows of the resistance organizations fighting their fascist policies. I’d rather be able to get an abortion and not wonder if my bank is going to snitch on me.
You know who really evades taxes? Those rich fucks who lobby and pay off (or are!) politicians to give them tax loopholes. Or the people in the panama papers. But those aren’t the tax evaders we’re talking about, now are they? Because they’ll never be held accountable to these laws, even though they were doxed publicly as violating them.
These kinds of financial surveillance powers will only be used against plebs, dissidents, and people who the people in power don’t like.
- sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@beehaw.org ) English2•2 months ago
How does you comment relate to my post?
- makeasnek ( @makeasnek@lemmy.ml ) English3•2 months ago
You are saying Taler is good because it “doesn’t enable tax evasion”. I am saying that’s a bad metric.
- sexy_peach ( @sexy_peach@beehaw.org ) English3•2 months ago
Not let the government have 100% viewability of every financial transaction you ever made
That’s explicitly not the case with gnu taler though.
Edit: I checked their website https://taler.net/en/features.html and I don’t even know if sending person to person is possible. So you might have a point. I would never advocate to get rid of cash though, cash is good. Maybe in a distant future once we really have a digital equivalent working reliably.
- makeasnek ( @makeasnek@lemmy.ml ) English6•2 months ago
From their FAQ: "Taler supports push and pull payments between wallets (also known as peer-to-peer payments). While the payment appears to be directly between wallets, technically the operation is intermediated by the payment service provider which will typically be legally required to identify the recipient of the funds before allowing the transaction to complete. "
I made a post about all the problems w Taler here if you’re interested https://lemmy.ml/post/17733761
- kbal ( @kbal@fedia.io ) 17•2 months ago
PET-enabled home routing
Oh, apparently it’s a “5G” thing. Perhaps everyone in Europe knows that already. Apparently the design of the new network is complicated enough that they’ve accidentally left room for just a little bit of user privacy. Europol claims to have become dependent on the situation where people using mobile phones have none at all.
- Ranger ( @Ranger@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 16•2 months ago
Good.
- gazby ( @gazby@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 12•2 months ago
I wonder if the reason the headline has to specify “lawful” has anything to do with it 🤔
- The Doctor ( @drwho@beehaw.org ) English12•2 months ago
Suck it, Europol.
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English11•2 months ago
That’s the point. They totally missed the main idea here