Teens have been making fake porn for ever. Photoshop someones head on another body. Cut a classmates photo and tape to a magazine centre fold.
Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment.
This is just another tool.
I want… people to put on a VR set, and fuck off to their fantasy world instead of messing up IRL. I want creepy incels, rapists, and similar, to have a means to act out their creepiness without impacting real people’s lives. Even more, I want them to prefer their virtual fantasies, because they can control them with a push of a button, instead of brainwashing, gaslighting, grooming, drugging, and finding other ways to control real people.
The faster that AI+VR gets more realistic and easier to use, the better for everyone.
I don’t believe that there are any studies that have shown that acting out fantasies in virtual spaces will reduce actions being taken out on real people.
Since it seems like your argument rests on that, do you have anything you can reference to back up the claim?
Well, if you are going to argue that we need to figure out a way to get virtual kiddie porn to pedophiles so that we can protect kids, you should be sure it won’t lead to more kids being abused first.
“Be sure first”… like how? Do you suggest running an experiment, then counting the abuses…? 🙄
Unethical human experimentation is kind of frowned upon, so the only before-the-fact information that’s ever going to be available, is the behavior of component elements present in other studies.
My position, is that we should follow those studies. Right now, they indicate that realizing fantasies in more controllable virtual environments, correlates to a decrease in the incidence of the same behaviors in less controllable IRL settings. Meaning: if you want to see less of a behavior IRL, give it an easier to control virtual outlet.
Do you want to protect kids? Well, given that those who were to listen have already listened, and those who were to be deterred by punishments have already been deterred… and lacking an effective method of detecting future abusers… there don’t seem to be many options left other than luring the remaining abusers towards a decoy.
Check out the gaming industry, where a kid from the other side of the world can tell you how they will “kill your mom, r*pe your sister, and make you watch” (sic), just before killing and teabagging your corpse in-game. At some point the “it’s just a game” also stops holding water… and yet somehow most people are capable of differentiating the “tool” from the piece of shit using it.
Regarding DUI laws, they’re also wrong, focusing on the effect instead of on the cause. AI is not the cause for generating deep fakes, just like DUI is not the cause for getting drunk, and games are not the cause for being a piece of shit.
Ain’t it interesting how coming up with a consistent framework, makes it applicable to different areas of life?
At some point the “it’s just a game” also stops holding water…
The video game doesn’t produce anything.
AI is not the cause for generating deep fakes,
DUIs can be reduced with public transportation. What do you propose reduces… porn fakes?
Ain’t it interesting how coming up with a consistent framework, makes it applicable to different areas of life?
Fucking lol.
My problem with machine learning porn is that it’s artless generic template spam clogging up my feed of shit I actually want to see. But you know, to each their own.
“Porn made of me”? You mean, by paying me to sign an agreement, or by drugging and/or forcing me…? Just to be perfectly clear: I’m not a photo.
The video game doesn’t produce anything.
Are we talking about the game’s video capture, or the feeling of wanting to puke onto that piece of shit until it drowns?
What do you propose reduces… porn fakes?
Something like “teaching your brat”. Porn fakes don’t even become a problem until they get distributed to others. Adults can go to jail, it works on some.
My problem with machine learning porn is that it’s artless generic template spam clogging up my feed
That… has more to do with tagging and filtering, rather than anything mentioned above.
It’s also somewhat weird to diss the “template” of an AI output, when porn videos have settled on a template script for about half a century already. If anything, I’ve seen more variety from people shoving their prompts into some AI, than from porn producers all my life (japanese “not-a-porn” ingenuity excluded).
I mean, there’s people that think you should be able to own grenades, too. This is actually a bigger philosophical question that deserves a rigorous answer that I rarely see attempted.
or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment.
This is my thought on it. Deliberately exposing the “model” to such a thing is fucked up. It’s sexual harassment, even if the level of realism is “text only”. But, people should be allowed to make and consume whatever kind of non-real porn they want in private.
I should note this is not what the law says in many nations, including my own.
Right? Who will think of the children! Before computer porn, we used to imagine our classmates, TV hosts, celebrities, and neighbors. Now that (imagination) was a valuable skill!
(I mean, some would also cut&paste faces from one photo onto another, with scissors and glue… but most just used our imagination)
You can’t publicly share nudes from your imagination or pass them out to your friends with five minutes work, something you basically definitionallly have to be doing in order to get caught.
Revenge porn is absolutely a serious method of harassment that does routinely end in suicide even for adults, and it is absurd to compare making it so easy that kids can do it to someone they’ve never talked to in minutes to fantasizing about their classmates.
Revenge porn was there before AI… but somewhat ironically, as more people are likely to label anything from SFX, to game renders, to the lunar landing, as “AI”… even actual recordings of porn used for revenge, are more likely to be dismissed as “just AI”, reducing its impact (no more Kardashians).
People should still take responsibility for educating their little brats, which has nothing to do with whether it’s AI, gun ownership, or “just” bullying.
The issue is that AI has made it so much easier that more people are doing it. The AI cat is out of the bag, but it could do with some tangible legislation
So, like what kind of legislation? All the problematic uses of AI, already have legislation against them. I don’t see any viable “anti-AI” legislation, just enforce the one already in place. Meanwhile, strengthening prevention and responsibility rules, would benefit all aspects of society, including the uses of AI.
Limiting what that data can be trained on for one. No pictures of kids for example. For porn specific AIs, don’t allow users to upload custom images. That is just asking for revenge porn or CSAM. Companies clearly can’t be trusted to put in safeguards for themselves, so I guess it is time for legislation.
I think it’s funny you talk about revenge porn like it’s just so tiresome and tedious to think about.
“Oh, a hurricane struck Florida again.”
“Oh, there’s revenge porn of my neighbor’s daughter again.”
“What a terrible saturday.”
“Anyway, I think my toast is done.”
Teens use it to generate porn with real classmates.
that is not an argument against AI. We didn’t ban photoshop because people did face swaps.
The harm is in the realisms , this matter when AI generated parn is shared with others.
Teens have been making fake porn for ever. Photoshop someones head on another body. Cut a classmates photo and tape to a magazine centre fold. Before everyone gets their pitchforks, I’m not saying this is not harmful to the victims or that their should not be consequences for sexual harassment. This is just another tool.
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That’s a lack of vision.
I want… people to put on a VR set, and fuck off to their fantasy world instead of messing up IRL. I want creepy incels, rapists, and similar, to have a means to act out their creepiness without impacting real people’s lives. Even more, I want them to prefer their virtual fantasies, because they can control them with a push of a button, instead of brainwashing, gaslighting, grooming, drugging, and finding other ways to control real people.
The faster that AI+VR gets more realistic and easier to use, the better for everyone.
I don’t believe that there are any studies that have shown that acting out fantasies in virtual spaces will reduce actions being taken out on real people.
Since it seems like your argument rests on that, do you have anything you can reference to back up the claim?
Are you asking for studies about virtual spaces that don’t exist yet? Seriously?..
For an approximation, you can check some like these:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222552404_The_pleasure_is_momentarythe_expense_damnable_The_influence_of_pornography_on_rape_and_sexual_assault
https://www.psypost.org/violent-video-games-decrease-stress-hormones-study-finds/
Well, if you are going to argue that we need to figure out a way to get virtual kiddie porn to pedophiles so that we can protect kids, you should be sure it won’t lead to more kids being abused first.
Did I misinterpret your position?
“Be sure first”… like how? Do you suggest running an experiment, then counting the abuses…? 🙄
Unethical human experimentation is kind of frowned upon, so the only before-the-fact information that’s ever going to be available, is the behavior of component elements present in other studies.
My position, is that we should follow those studies. Right now, they indicate that realizing fantasies in more controllable virtual environments, correlates to a decrease in the incidence of the same behaviors in less controllable IRL settings. Meaning: if you want to see less of a behavior IRL, give it an easier to control virtual outlet.
Do you want to protect kids? Well, given that those who were to listen have already listened, and those who were to be deterred by punishments have already been deterred… and lacking an effective method of detecting future abusers… there don’t seem to be many options left other than luring the remaining abusers towards a decoy.
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Was about to respond to your arguments, when…
“My way or the highway”, huh? Ok, guess there is no reasoning with you. 🛣️
Imaginary grenades.
Check out the gaming industry, where a kid from the other side of the world can tell you how they will “kill your mom, r*pe your sister, and make you watch” (sic), just before killing and teabagging your corpse in-game. At some point the “it’s just a game” also stops holding water… and yet somehow most people are capable of differentiating the “tool” from the piece of shit using it.
Regarding DUI laws, they’re also wrong, focusing on the effect instead of on the cause. AI is not the cause for generating deep fakes, just like DUI is not the cause for getting drunk, and games are not the cause for being a piece of shit.
Ain’t it interesting how coming up with a consistent framework, makes it applicable to different areas of life?
Having porn made of you is imaginary?
The video game doesn’t produce anything.
DUIs can be reduced with public transportation. What do you propose reduces… porn fakes?
Fucking lol.
My problem with machine learning porn is that it’s artless generic template spam clogging up my feed of shit I actually want to see. But you know, to each their own.
“Porn made of me”? You mean, by paying me to sign an agreement, or by drugging and/or forcing me…? Just to be perfectly clear: I’m not a photo.
Are we talking about the game’s video capture, or the feeling of wanting to puke onto that piece of shit until it drowns?
Something like “teaching your brat”. Porn fakes don’t even become a problem until they get distributed to others. Adults can go to jail, it works on some.
That… has more to do with tagging and filtering, rather than anything mentioned above.
It’s also somewhat weird to diss the “template” of an AI output, when porn videos have settled on a template script for about half a century already. If anything, I’ve seen more variety from people shoving their prompts into some AI, than from porn producers all my life (japanese “not-a-porn” ingenuity excluded).
I mean, there’s people that think you should be able to own grenades, too. This is actually a bigger philosophical question that deserves a rigorous answer that I rarely see attempted.
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Maybe. Most people would agree. But why? Unless you talk about that it’s just flaming back forth, which is not worthy of anyone’s attention.
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A far more effective tool
This is my thought on it. Deliberately exposing the “model” to such a thing is fucked up. It’s sexual harassment, even if the level of realism is “text only”. But, people should be allowed to make and consume whatever kind of non-real porn they want in private.
I should note this is not what the law says in many nations, including my own.
They are doing it anyway. It’s a plus if they learn one thing or two while doing it
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Right? Who will think of the children! Before computer porn, we used to imagine our classmates, TV hosts, celebrities, and neighbors. Now that (imagination) was a valuable skill!
(I mean, some would also cut&paste faces from one photo onto another, with scissors and glue… but most just used our imagination)
You can’t publicly share nudes from your imagination or pass them out to your friends with five minutes work, something you basically definitionallly have to be doing in order to get caught.
Revenge porn is absolutely a serious method of harassment that does routinely end in suicide even for adults, and it is absurd to compare making it so easy that kids can do it to someone they’ve never talked to in minutes to fantasizing about their classmates.
Hey, you don’t know how fast I can draw, internet person!
Revenge porn was there before AI… but somewhat ironically, as more people are likely to label anything from SFX, to game renders, to the lunar landing, as “AI”… even actual recordings of porn used for revenge, are more likely to be dismissed as “just AI”, reducing its impact (no more Kardashians).
People should still take responsibility for educating their little brats, which has nothing to do with whether it’s AI, gun ownership, or “just” bullying.
The issue is that AI has made it so much easier that more people are doing it. The AI cat is out of the bag, but it could do with some tangible legislation
So, like what kind of legislation? All the problematic uses of AI, already have legislation against them. I don’t see any viable “anti-AI” legislation, just enforce the one already in place. Meanwhile, strengthening prevention and responsibility rules, would benefit all aspects of society, including the uses of AI.
Limiting what that data can be trained on for one. No pictures of kids for example. For porn specific AIs, don’t allow users to upload custom images. That is just asking for revenge porn or CSAM. Companies clearly can’t be trusted to put in safeguards for themselves, so I guess it is time for legislation.
I think it’s funny you talk about revenge porn like it’s just so tiresome and tedious to think about.
“Oh, a hurricane struck Florida again.”
“Oh, there’s revenge porn of my neighbor’s daughter again.”
“What a terrible saturday.”
“Anyway, I think my toast is done.”
Feel free to partake in the tediousness:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashian_family
It was tedious trash back then, and 17 years of beating a dead horse hasn’t made it any less tedious.