I understand that it may be problematic sometimes but this was very smooth. I didn’t even say anything.
A: what’s your number for the whatsapp group Me: I don’t have whatsapp because of facebook. B: ok, we have to use signal then A: ok
And that was it. Life can be very easy sometimes
- Damage ( @Damage@feddit.it ) 89•29 days ago
At first from the title it seemed like they changed app to avoid you
I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s how it plans out.
A regular group chat and another signal one for when you specifically need to talk to OP.
- fosho ( @fosho@lemmy.ca ) English1•28 days ago
yeah, some title gore going on here.
- MerchantsOfMisery ( @MerchantsOfMisery@lemmy.ml ) 55•29 days ago
Before Signal made the boneheaded move of removing SMS support, it was so much easier for me to pitch the idea of using Signal to my friends and family, most of which eventually did make the shift from SMS to Signal messages for reasons like ease of use when it came to group chats, sending images/videos, voice clips, etc.
But now? Now it’s one of those embarrassing moments where I hear back from people basically all saying "your tech recommendations are usually on point but uh, what happened with Signal???" because the app just abruptly stopped supporting SMS and ruined the seamless appeal. SMS support was the perfect way to ease people into shifting towards Signal messages and now the only damn people I know who still know Signal are my most privacy-minded friends/family, while everyone else has switched back to WhatsApp.
Clearly I’m not bitter…😅 But I mean like, come on. I had the most notorious luddites in my social circle make the switch to Signal and they loved it. The shift from SMS to Signal messages was so smooth so many of them didn’t even have that "I miss [SMS stuff]", plus they LOVED that Signal could be used on their laptops in addition to their phones. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh this annoys me so much.
- BaroqueInMind ( @BaroqueInMind@lemmy.ml ) English10•29 days ago
Why did they remove SMS support?
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English5•29 days ago
What were you using SMS for?
- Strawberry ( @Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 9•29 days ago
SMS is still the dominant message format in some countries
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English1•27 days ago
But you are already on Signal.
Also I live in a country where SMS is very common
- ulterno ( @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social ) English50•28 days ago
I have a feeling B wanted to use Signal, but expected it to be difficult to make others shift. When OP gave the opportunity, B came in and swyped it right away,
- xelar ( @xelar@lemmy.ml ) 32•29 days ago
Still, you were lucky that your colleagues are aware of alternatives and will use it (I hope). I wonder though if people will migrate because of you. Its tough to encourage others to communicate Signal while majority use Messenger or Whatsapp. Their reasoning for that is the most friends and family member are on mainstream solutions.
Signal is an interim solution imo for most people, which I also recommend. Not too extreme, not to “geeky”, which introduces them to alternative app world.
- NigelFrobisher ( @NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone ) 15•29 days ago
What did you do to offend them?
- cheesymoonshadow ( @cheesymoonshadow@lemmings.world ) 3•28 days ago
I first read it that way too.
- Kit ( @Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 14•29 days ago
Why would a workplace need a group chat? Aren’t there any enterprise tools in place to achieve that?
- just_an_average_joe ( @just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) English18•28 days ago
Small companies and startups like to save money
- Baggins ( @Baggins@feddit.uk ) English8•28 days ago
Cannot access work intranet (Teams etc.) from personal phones. Don’t have work phones. They all use WhatsApp so reluctantly, so do I.
- Kit ( @Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 2•28 days ago
I would never join a group chat like that. If they need to get ahold if me after hours, they can call me.
BTW Teams doesn’t live on Intranet. There’s no reason they wouldn’t be able to open up Teams to BYOD beyond incompetence.
- Baggins ( @Baggins@feddit.uk ) English7•28 days ago
I know Teams doesn’t live on the intranet, but I’m not going to put work software on my own phone. Policy needs it to set up a work profile and I then can’t use fingerprint, face or a 4 digit pin. And all the shite that flows through Teams would be be piling up, just like it does on the PC at work, brilliant when you’re only in a couple of days a week. They want me to use a phone? Provide one.
The WhatsApp group is for us to send updates about traffic, if someone can cover a shift etc. it’s not an official work thing. I could of course not use it and just text people. That’s really just making my life difficult whilst sat up here on my high horse with a self righteous look on my face, whilst I miss the chance of an extra shift.
- Kit ( @Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 2•28 days ago
Denying putting work stuff on your phone is absolutely valid. The company should provide a company device in that case. And if you do agree to put company data on your phone, they should give a monthly stipend towards your phone bill. That’s how every org I’ve worked at has approached it.
- filcuk ( @filcuk@lemmy.zip ) 2•28 days ago
That requires a business login on your personal device, which is typically against company policy.
Although, so should be sharing work info outside of corporate channels, so what do I know.
- jet ( @jet@hackertalks.com ) English6•28 days ago
Emergency team chat when there is a outage of corporate systems
Chat for social work stuff like team building or off-site gatherings.
Being about to shit talk about corporate stuff off the reservation is nice.
It can be a big sms group chat, signal, discord, whatever your team likes.
- toastal ( @toastal@lemmy.ml ) 2•28 days ago
…to which for privacy reasons your team shouldn’t like SMS, Discord, Telegram, Slack, and probably even Signal (somewhat for privacy, & more for accessibility)
- jet ( @jet@hackertalks.com ) English1•28 days ago
What do you recommend?
- rcbrk ( @rcbrk@lemmy.ml ) English5•28 days ago
XMPP. A business can self-host, there are public servers, or there are many businesses which offer customised xmpp hosting as a service.
I can be federated with other xmpp servers or be a locked-down work-only service, or federate with chosen other servers (such as a client company’s xmpp servers).
- ulterno ( @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social ) English2•28 days ago
The main problem is, you need to have someone good enough to setup a proper firewall when selfhosting.
Sure, it might not take $$$$, but it will take $, which is definitely more than nothing.
- rcbrk ( @rcbrk@lemmy.ml ) English2•28 days ago
If that’s the main problem then that’s easy to solve! Simply use a free public xmpp server.
I mention the self- and paid-hosting options because businesses tend to like having a sevice agreement backed by a contract, and may have additional specialised requirements not provided by free services (xmpp or otherwise).
- toastal ( @toastal@lemmy.ml ) 1•28 days ago
Snikket exists for this type of user. If money is an issue, since XMPP is actually lightweight unlike Matrix, you can host multiple things even on the cheapest VPSs so it isn’t dedicated to one taskl or self-host out of your home (which is what I do, but also with some small sites, a feed aggregator, Mumble, terminal sharing, Darcs/Pijul version control systems, & Nix remote builder).
- ulterno ( @ulterno@lemmy.kde.social ) English1•27 days ago
Skill issue, not money issue.
But when you are a business, everything can be converted into a money issue.
- !xowAT4Z3Q ( @phpinjected@lemmy.sdf.org ) 13•28 days ago
my workplace only IRC and xmpp for work related chat
- Wildly_Utilize ( @Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub ) English5•28 days ago
That sounds pretty based
- ᥫ᭡ 𐑖ミꪜᴵ𝔦 ᥫ᭡ ( @LEVI@feddit.org ) English12•29 days ago
these 20 people are awesome :D
- halvar ( @halvar@lemm.ee ) 11•29 days ago
Sure and then Santa gave everyone free librebooted thinkpads.
- communism ( @communism@lemmy.ml ) 11•29 days ago
In all my years of not using WhatsApp this has never happened to me lol. At best I’ve gotten some people to message me individually on Signal but not entire groups
- jbk ( @jbk@discuss.tchncs.de ) 9•29 days ago
dream team
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English9•29 days ago
Damn…
You must be really good
- Clot ( @clot27@lemm.ee ) English8•28 days ago
Wow, congrats.
- krolden ( @krolden@lemmy.ml ) 6•29 days ago
Now tell them you just switched to matrix and see if they’ll follow
- GolfNovemberUniform ( @GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml ) 55•29 days ago
Never abuse kind people. That’s what breaks them.
- krolden ( @krolden@lemmy.ml ) 3•29 days ago
Its a joke if that wasn’t obvious.
I don’t have to. Matrix is coming anyway. It’s not an if but a when.
For official (internal) company communication though I will advertise matrix instead of signal. I’ll report back once I’ve talked to the right people about it.
- krolden ( @krolden@lemmy.ml ) 1•29 days ago
Nice
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English2•29 days ago
Matrix can be pretty unstable at times
I like Mattermost but it isn’t federated
- jet ( @jet@hackertalks.com ) English6•29 days ago
For people wondering how to do this in your own lives, have two phones. Have a phone that you install work stuff on, including proprietary apps like WhatsApp. Just tell the people around you hey you can contact me on WhatsApp, but I only see it when I’m at my desk during business hours. I do use more privacy focused platforms on my personal device that you can reach me anytime, such a signal or simple x or matrix. And you’ll find a lot of people are very flexible as long as you give them some reason, and you’re not being unreasonable yourself.
Having two phones absolutely sucks. Didn’t work for me at all.
- speeding_slug ( @speeding_slug@feddit.nl ) 3•28 days ago
I disagree. I absolutely love the fact that I can just turn it off after office hours and throw it in a corner during holidays and weekends. Sure, it’s a bit cumbersome to take two phones with you, but it’s also cumbersome to take the laptop and everything with you all the time. Just put it in the same bag and you’re good. Good to note, my employer provides me with a phone, so I didn’t need to buy a second one. It also means that if I switch jobs, I just return the phone and still have my personal device.
But if it doesn’t work for you, by all means, don’t do it. For me the good outweighs the bad.
I have a second sim card for my phone. I just turn off that sim when I’m not working, and set my status as away for group chat.
In this context, there isn’t any tangible benefit to having a second phone.
- Wildly_Utilize ( @Wildly_Utilize@infosec.pub ) English1•28 days ago
Have you tried embracing the dope boy chic?
- Rivalarrival ( @Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ) English2•28 days ago
There is an app on f-droid called “shelter” that gives you access to Android Work Profiles. This is a sandboxed area of your phone that makes it function like a second phone. You can install apps that are only accessible from within that sandbox. You can install a second, sandboxed copy of an app. You can shut down all your sandboxed apps simultaneously.
I have a bunch of bullshit, garbage apps I very rarely use installed in my sandboxed “work” profile (Facebook, restaurant apps, and some other assorted trash apps) so they won’t harass me at random.
- jet ( @jet@hackertalks.com ) English1•28 days ago
Shelter is great, and work profiles are an amazing tool to have.
My intention with having two phones, one always at your desk for work items, is to set coworkers expectations that your not available on corporate systems 24/7. If they want to reach you outside of business hours, they will need to use better platforms. This demonstrates your being reasonable and using Whatsapp (or whatever) to be on the main platforms, but you have a real motivation to use the better platforms (like signal, etc)