Greetings! So recently, i spent a few hours coding software. After i was done and i shut off my pc, i noticed both of the ethernet lights were on and blinking. Does this mean that Microsoft is sending data to their servers before the PC fully shuts off? I am scared that this might be the thing it does. How can i get rid of this issue? I have no idea if it’s related to Windows or the PC itself.
- lazynooblet ( @lazynooblet@lazysoci.al ) English26•8 days ago
Your PC network card keeps the connection up in order to receive wake on LAN requests.
Any link activity whilst the PC is shutdown is packets that were broadcasted to the entire network. Other PCs, DHCP requests, etc send traffic to all devices on the network. So seeing some traffic whilst it’s off is nothing to worry about.
- foremanguy ( @foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml ) 13•7 days ago
As other said, it’s surely related to the LAN traffic and not the WAN traffic only your router sends some packets but it shouldn’t be Windows. Little tips if you don’t want telemetry and tracking, simply use Linux.
- Anarki_ ( @Anarki_@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 3•7 days ago
use Linux
Had to be said, didn’t it?
- tetris11 ( @tetris11@lemmy.ml ) 7•7 days ago
And always use proper protection when surfing online
- foremanguy ( @foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml ) 1•7 days ago
Right sorry
I dualboot both Windows and Linux. I use windows just for pyinstaller and compiling, while i daily drive Arch Linux with dwm.
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 1•4 days ago
Why windows for pyinstaller and compiling?
Well as you may know, when you try running pyinstaller on linux, it packs the .py file into a linux exectuable, not a windows executable.
- haui ( @haui_lemmy@lemmy.giftedmc.com ) 1•4 days ago
Very interesting! Thanks for the heads up. I didnt know that. 7 years ago, they already used wine for that. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/44014390/how-to-generate-a-windows-executable-using-pyinstaller-on-linux#45065125
If all else fails you could also use a vm. Thats probably less dangerous than dual booting because of windows not playing nice with grub.
I dualboot both Windows and Linux using the BIOS’s boot menu. Linux installed on a seprate drive, windows on another.
- foremanguy ( @foremanguy92_@lemmy.ml ) 1•7 days ago
Ok great!
- originalucifer ( @originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com ) 29•9 days ago
the link light is powered by the switch. it doesnt [necessarily] mean data transfer
- jet ( @jet@hackertalks.com ) English6•8 days ago
this 100% factually incorrect.
- krolden ( @krolden@lemmy.ml ) 1•8 days ago
False
- ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) English1•7 days ago
i don’t really think so. unplug the power to your PC and the lights will turn off soon
- Jalapeño Popper ( @jalapeno_popper561@lemmy.ml ) English16•9 days ago
You got ghosts, bruh
- delirious_owl ( @delirious_owl@discuss.online ) 5•9 days ago
Unfortunately Linux doesn’t have any anti-ghost packages as they’re much more common in Windows
- Samsy ( @Samsy@lemmy.ml ) 4•9 days ago
ghostscript?
- Jalapeño Popper ( @jalapeno_popper561@lemmy.ml ) English2•9 days ago
Ugh, can confirm.
- krolden ( @krolden@lemmy.ml ) 7•9 days ago
Its the other CPU in your cpu/nic
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English7•7 days ago
Maybe but probably not. Its just frames coming in from the rest of the network. The device on the other end doesn’t know the computer is off.
Alternatively if the card still has power it might be just in the state Windows left it in. I could imagine it would be good to not have to reinitialize the card all the time.
Why are you concerned about telemetry on shutdown? That wouldn’t make any sense as it sends your data and checks the system status in the background while you use your computer. Also it is not great practice to totally shutdown at night as that’s the time when update happen. It also could theoretically wear out hardware but chances are that’s not a problem on newer machines
- ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) English5•7 days ago
Also it is not great practice to totally shutdown at night as that’s the time when update happen.
updates can be installed when it’s turned on, though, and it well consume much less power.
It also could theoretically wear out hardware but chances are that’s not a problem on newer machines
what do you mean? I don’t understand.
if you mean the HDDs spinning down and up, then- if it only happens at shutdown, it shouldn’t wear them out, additionally as I know HDDs (consumer models at least) don’t like endless spinning either
- windows probably shuts it down regularly when it’s not in use. this is a setting in the power profile
- as I know, frequent spindowns only increase wear out if it happens very often, like every 10 seconds and such because of the drive’s garbage internal power saving setting. that’s why I always keep it at least 30 minutes or more
- Possibly linux ( @possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ) English1•7 days ago
I’ve never seen hardware die because of repeated shutdowns. Also most people aren’t running HDDs these days as flash storage is cheap and plentiful.
For updates you need to be turned on for them to install. That’s why shutting it down isn’t good practice. Just set a maintenance window and put the computer to sleep.
- ReversalHatchery ( @ReversalHatchery@beehaw.org ) English1•6 days ago
I’ve never seen hardware die because of repeated shutdowns
then why do you recommend to keep the computer on for a longer life?
but in the case of hard drives, this is a real thing, just not at that scale of shutdowns. if you don’t find sources on this let me know and I’ll show some.
For updates you need to be turned on for them to install. That’s why shutting it down isn’t good practice. Just set a maintenance window and put the computer to sleep.
of course, the installation will get prepared while the computer in on. it will have plenty of time being turned on.
but most updates, including a lot of security updates only apply when restarting the updated software, like shutting down the operating system. - ftbd ( @ftbd@feddit.org ) 1•6 days ago
or just install and then shut down?
no Linux?
- Trainguyrom ( @Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ) English4•9 days ago
i noticed both of the ethernet lights were on and blinking
So usually one of the lights on the port indicates the link state (up/down and if its at full speed or a reduced speed) and the other light indicates data flow. Both lights blinking suggests either a really shoddy link state or an unusual implementation of status lights on the port. Do both lights blink while its booted and actively transferring a large file? Can you find documentation of how your device implements the indicator LEDs? (I can’t tell if that’s a dongle or a port on your computer)
I believe you can stop it by turning off a feature called “fast startup” or something like that.
- linkhidalgogato ( @linkhidalgogato@lemmy.ml ) 1•9 days ago
disconnect ur pc from power physically if the behavior continues which i would guess it will its probably something connected to ur wifi doing something in a dumb way if it stops thats wierd as fuck but forcing the pc to shut down by holding the power button should do the trick since that usually tells the motherboard to tell the power supply to shut off and i dont think windows gets a say on that.