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If this is happening in east Germany, it would not surprise anyone that hate speech is on an insanely high and dangerous level. Most of the afd nazi voters are in east Germany. Should you be criminally charge for a call to murder, voilence genocide and other racism, holocaust denial? Absolutely. Lets not pretend that neo Nazis are political satire geniuses.
The article focuses on Lower Saxony, which is in West Germany. These cases are not about inciting violence or denying a genocide but about saying something about a politician that that person doesn’t like. Many American liberals would be prosecuted under these laws right now for the stuff that is said on e.g. Reddit, presumably BlueSky and Lemmy.world. Reminder that this sort of stuff also affects pro-Palestine activists and in fact from what I gather that is in fact the case in Germany today.
For calling a politician a pimmel?
Imagine if half of liberal America was prosecuted for calling Trump “orange cheeto” or saying he has small hands. WTF is this even.
Imagine trump was procecuted each time he called for genocide of an entire ethnicity.
It doesn’t take calls for murder or genocide. In Germany you can have your house raided for posting a meme which calls the minister of economy an idiot. The same minister of economy who doesn’t know what a bankruptcy is, and whose entire working experience is as an author of children’s books.
In another case the office of an opposition newspaper was raided, all their computers and even office chairs were taken away by police. All under the pretense that it was an ordinary association and not protected by freedom of the press. However courts found that this was unjustified, and so police had to carry all the items back inside a few days later.
Uh, did your account get hacked?
That’s like literal AfD propaganda you are repeating here.
And while there is some very limited truth to the first (but he has had similar competences on state level for many years), the “opposition newspaper” is like an actual extreme right wing rag and the legal process is still ongoing, the courts just ruled that the minister of interior overstepped her official competence by trying to shut it down in the legal grey area way she tried doing it.
This is an Afd talking point bit by bit and is part of a concerted effort from the anglophone fascist world to get that nice Swiss lady as a Kanzlerin. There’s so much money being pumped into EU far right is not even funny.
Interesting how we see here news, related to the AFD, just a few days before the elections.
To be honest I hate that.
Guys like Bannon or Elmo are the visible faces of a much broader movement that has been diverting funds towards the European far right. We’re seeing a reverse paperclip op. There isn’t a single far right European party with electoral expression that wasn’t involved in some scandal about funding of dubious origins (in countries where there is oversight).
ACAB
No matter the country, pigs will be pigs
(correction: they are worse than pigs)
Damn don’t get me wrong I’m against hate speech but government is not the one to decide what is hate speech and what is not that’s how a democracy is destroyed.
The government didn’t decide that though, courts do. As long as that still holds, that’s exactly how democracies are not destroyed, isnt it? I think, German law enforcement may be overstepping their boundaries in these cases and for example in the case of Andy Grote mentioned in the article, the actions taken were actually ruled to have been illegal (in court). Honestly seems more like a democracy doing democracy things.
These kind of laws are gonna get used against political dissent and rivals by the government. It’s so obvious honestly if you can’t see it then I don’t know what to say
Yes, I think this is what we’re gonna see. Even more so once the far right takes power. They will use the anti-hate speech laws against their creators because they are easy to abuse.
courts are part of the government…
What I’m referring to by “government” is the executive branch. This might be a difference in languages and/or political systems, but that’s what is commonly referred to in Germany by “government”. This excludes the judiciary branch and therefore the courts.
it might be a difference of language but it’s important to recognize that courts are part of your system of governance regardless of the words you use to describe it, and are subject to most of the same incentives and corrupting influences, and some thatare unique to courts.
No, courts are just naturally occuring phenomenon, like the weather or the tides 😌
“You can’t take away people’s right to be assholes.”
- Demolition Man