Germany’s history informs its current laws. That much is undeniable. But it doesn’t excuse the over-correction applied by legislators in hopes of heading off another Hitler. And it cert…

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  •  Mangoholic   ( @Mangoholic@lemmy.ml ) 
    35·
    10 months ago

    If this is happening in east Germany, it would not surprise anyone that hate speech is on an insanely high and dangerous level. Most of the afd nazi voters are in east Germany. Should you be criminally charge for a call to murder, voilence genocide and other racism, holocaust denial? Absolutely. Lets not pretend that neo Nazis are political satire geniuses.

    •  CedarA64   ( @CedarA64@lemm.ee ) English
      15·
      10 months ago

      The article focuses on Lower Saxony, which is in West Germany. These cases are not about inciting violence or denying a genocide but about saying something about a politician that that person doesn’t like. Many American liberals would be prosecuted under these laws right now for the stuff that is said on e.g. Reddit, presumably BlueSky and Lemmy.world. Reminder that this sort of stuff also affects pro-Palestine activists and in fact from what I gather that is in fact the case in Germany today.

    •  Nutomic   ( @nutomic@lemmy.ml ) 
      9·
      10 months ago

      It doesn’t take calls for murder or genocide. In Germany you can have your house raided for posting a meme which calls the minister of economy an idiot. The same minister of economy who doesn’t know what a bankruptcy is, and whose entire working experience is as an author of children’s books.

      In another case the office of an opposition newspaper was raided, all their computers and even office chairs were taken away by police. All under the pretense that it was an ordinary association and not protected by freedom of the press. However courts found that this was unjustified, and so police had to carry all the items back inside a few days later.

      •  poVoq   ( @poVoq@slrpnk.net ) 
        18·
        10 months ago

        Uh, did your account get hacked?

        That’s like literal AfD propaganda you are repeating here.

        And while there is some very limited truth to the first (but he has had similar competences on state level for many years), the “opposition newspaper” is like an actual extreme right wing rag and the legal process is still ongoing, the courts just ruled that the minister of interior overstepped her official competence by trying to shut it down in the legal grey area way she tried doing it.

  •  Viri4thus   ( @Viri4thus@feddit.org ) 
    23·
    10 months ago

    This is an Afd talking point bit by bit and is part of a concerted effort from the anglophone fascist world to get that nice Swiss lady as a Kanzlerin. There’s so much money being pumped into EU far right is not even funny.

      •  Viri4thus   ( @Viri4thus@feddit.org ) 
        2·
        10 months ago

        Guys like Bannon or Elmo are the visible faces of a much broader movement that has been diverting funds towards the European far right. We’re seeing a reverse paperclip op. There isn’t a single far right European party with electoral expression that wasn’t involved in some scandal about funding of dubious origins (in countries where there is oversight).

    •  peppermintprince   ( @peppermintprince@sopuli.xyz ) English
      7·
      10 months ago

      The government didn’t decide that though, courts do. As long as that still holds, that’s exactly how democracies are not destroyed, isnt it? I think, German law enforcement may be overstepping their boundaries in these cases and for example in the case of Andy Grote mentioned in the article, the actions taken were actually ruled to have been illegal (in court). Honestly seems more like a democracy doing democracy things.