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Spectre ( Confidant6198@lemmy.ml )  to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago

Americans and socialism

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Americans and socialism

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Spectre ( Confidant6198@lemmy.ml )  to Memes@lemmy.ml · 2 years ago
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  • Cowbee [he/they] ( Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Only taxing the rich or bringing back the New Deal perpetuates Capitalism, we are talking about Socialism here, not Social Democracy. In that respect, when we analyze AES states, all have a firm understanding of Marxist theory, showing that it indeed has practical merit.

    If you want to get started with theory, I keep an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list you can check out if you want.

    • Dagwood222 ( Dagwood222@lemm.ee ) 
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      So?

      If the workers have a 25 hour week with universal health care and great pensions who cares if the billionaires have spaceships to Mars?

      • Cowbee [he/they] ( Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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        Considering we are speaking about the US, those safety nets would come from the massive Imperialism the US commits constantly. Workers in the Global South would continue to slave away so workers in the US can live cushy lives.

        In a Socialist system, we can end that, but under Capitalism there is no path to deliberately end the practice of Imperialism, as it forms the basis of US foreign policy, and why the US Empire has hundreds of millitary bases around the world.

        • Dagwood222 ( Dagwood222@lemm.ee ) 
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          Or we could be doing asteroid mining and getting raw materials from off-planet.

          Marx and Lenin never wrote about that because they both died a century ago.

          • Cowbee [he/they] ( Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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            And we would continue to centralize and give power to fewer and fewer hands, when we could provide much better living standards for all.

            • Dagwood222 ( Dagwood222@lemm.ee ) 
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              You’re ignoring the part where I said everyone has a high standard of living.

              • Cowbee [he/they] ( Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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                We don’t live in that theoretical fantasy world, and moreover that still does not logically justify allowing a small handful of people to live like gods. I am talking about reality, not a dream you had.

                • Dagwood222 ( Dagwood222@lemm.ee ) 
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                  lol!

                  Look who is talking about dreaming.

                  Have a nice day and don’t hold your breath until the revolution.

                  • Cowbee [he/they] ( Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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                    Revolution has already happened in quite a few countries, one of them with one of the largest economies and populations on the planet. It’s more a matter of time.

          • BrainInABox ( BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ) 
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            because they both died a century ago.

            The idea of replacing all on world mining with magic sci-fi technology is exactly as implausible now as it was a century ago.

            • Dagwood222 ( Dagwood222@lemm.ee ) 
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              https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2023/10/18/this-asteroid-mining-startup-is-ready-to-launch-the-first-ever-commercial-deep-space-mission/

              If we’d had Al Gore as President we’d have had an extra $5 trillion to use on this tech.

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