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Man, I haven’t seen a goat.se in years
Is this a random thought or should I not click the link?!?
Edit: oeuf. There it is. Nice.
Not trying to be pedantic, but the original was goatse.cx
Yeah everyone likes to call it “Goat-see” or “Goat-say”, but it was originally supposed to be “goat-secx” i.e. “goat sex”.
I think part of the confusion may be that when the site was taken down, the mirrors that sprung up were things like goat.se, etc.
I’ve heard it pronounced “goatsee” and said that myself back when the original site was live. You are 100% right on the intent of the name though.
The fact that there are no interoperable third-party implementations, or even third-party builds/distributions of the Signal app
that’s not true, Molly is perfectly fine
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Hard to take them seriously, if they can’t even use a search engine to realize most of this is complete bullshit. What is this? A Twitter post?
mostsome of the stuff on that list isn’t even true (at least not anymore) lolThere are six bullet points. Which ones are no longer true?
The only one I know of is point 4, in that you can now choose not to share your phone number. But, IIUC, the app uses the dark pattern of forever nagging you to share it, hoping you’ll eventually accidentally click the wrong choice.
Point 2 is mostly not true, in that Molly exists and you can do reproducible builds with either implementation.
Unless Signal’s policies recently changed, Molly is not interoperable, since Signal does not allow third-party clients to use their servers/network. That would make point 2 correct.
If that policy has changed, then someone please link the announcement so I can update my notes.
They’ve been allowing Molly to continue to function for multiple years. Notably, from Molly’s readme:
Molly connects to Signal’s servers, so you can chat with your Signal contacts seamlessly.
I looked over the terms of service linked there and don’t see anything specifically calling out third party clients. Is that elsewhere in another terms page somewhere or is it just not being specifically mentioned?
It was a few years ago when I read Signal’s statement about this, so I’m afraid I don’t have a link for you.
I believe you when you say Molly functions, but it’s important to note that without Signal’s blessing, anyone using Molly can be locked out of the network (and their chats and contacts) at any moment. It’s not the same as official interoperability.
I wonder if the Digital Markets Act will eventually force it.
Absolutely, and I’m not trying to say they don’t own their infra or have the ability to cut off the Molly users. Luckily, if that were to happen, you could use the automated backups to restore back into Signal, since they’re functionally the same.
Regardless, both apps have reproducible builds. It’s the infra that isn’t reproducible.
If they have such “security concerns” with third-party clients, a compromise would be to mark profiles using unofficial clients, and make it possible to see what client it is. Because it’s audacious to disapprove of third-party ones while your own lacks features people find important! Such as:
- Allowing an arbitrary proxy rather than just their own solution (because not only is their own solution inferior to some of the more advanced censorship-evading technology, but this is the field that needs multiple options when one stops working. Also if a person uses a proxy for everything else anyway, making them set up a whole separate solution or find someone else’s proxy just for your app is pointless.
- UnifiedPush.
- Allowing tying a desktop client by typing a code rather than scanning a QR code, which is important when registering on an Android VM (because again, Signal just arbitrarily disallows account creation on a desktop, nevermind that most phones are very hard or impossible to make private!)
To be fair, from Signal’s attitude it seems that Molly is tolerated rather than welcomed. And that it may be shut off if it gets big enough.
I use the Signal a lot and have never been nagged to share my phone number.
4 and 5, from what I remember you have to opt into being discoverable by number even if you give it your contacts. that said I don’t fw signal for the other reasons stated, it’s basically just the easiest secure alternative to texting.
2 is probably wrong. Molly exists. Trademark cannot be used to prevent other implementations, just the use of the name or other dress. What may not be open is the server side code and federation is not supported.
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He’s someone that was a developer for Netscape and Firefox. I used to follow him but stopped doing so and now I find him quite annoying, haha
I agree with him in many things but he’s always replying people like he’s better than everyone which makes me think he must be a very shitty boss considering he’s the owner of a club.
“Right about a lot of things but fucking insufferable” is an apt summary of JWZ
Also got the same impression back when I used XScreenSaver from jwz. I looked in to customizing the logo shown on the login dialog and some of the screensavers, only to find a rather preachy write-up on the advantages of XScreenSaver and a very stubborn affirmation that the logo is hard-coded and should not be changed because it is the identity of the program or something.
Oh yeah, the Debian vs. JWZ XScreenSaver spat, that was royally stupid and led me to stop using it altogether
“Insufferable ass” doesn’t begin to summarize my experiences with him. But he’s been right about a lot of things.
This was exactly my experience.
that author seems to be the last douchebag you should listen to. who the fucking hell sends someone to pound sand for correcting him?
I understand that you might be moved to engage me in debate on this topic, but that won’t happen because I will just immediately block you.
Fuck all the way off with this shit
signal crypto is a scam, but this person is just a raging retard.
A Beehaw user using slurs, not something you see everyday…
(I was under the impression Beehaw was “Aspiring to bee a safe, friendly and diverse place”)
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What did he say
“retard”
So lemmy.ml censors it as well?
I don’t know lol
sorry, sometimes I can’t hold it back anymore. maybe I should just stay silent sometimes
The big upside of signal is that it is better then SMS, and has more adoption then any of the other reasonable options. Adoption is still not enough to make it that useful when compared with Messenger and SMS and even with this addressbook thing your complaining about trying to drive it.
Big downsides abound too including needing a phone number, and being tied to a phone.
I thought they changed the phone number requirement? Or was that a fever dream I had?
No, it still requires a phone number, but you can hide your phone numbers from other users now.
Ah that’s what it is.
You can share a name or handle now but I think you still need the phone number otherwise though you no longer have to share it.
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Sorry but in this house we avoid jwz’s opinions on things like the plague
He’s like the Morrissey of foss
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Every interaction I’ve had with that person is insane. Who even are they?
Among many other things, the person who created Mozilla/Firefox.
Thanks! I only knew them as yelling, cursing, and attacking others on mastodon person
He’s old and cranky like me 🤷
Haha! How did you simpsonify a photo of yourself?? That’s so cool!
More like one of many developers
Obviously. But it wouldn’t have happened at all without him.
