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 Spectre   ( @Confidant6198@lemmy.ml )  to Memes@lemmy.ml · 9 months ago

Schrödinger’s China

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Schrödinger’s China

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 Spectre   ( @Confidant6198@lemmy.ml )  to Memes@lemmy.ml · 9 months ago
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  •  IninewCrow   ( @ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ) 
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    An evil authoritarian regime that is committing human rights abuses and does not follow democratic norms … but we’ll do billions of dollars worth of trade with them and base a lot of our industries around trading with them. But they’re still evil.

    •  SippyCup   ( @SippyCup@feddit.nl ) 
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      Are you talking about China or the US?

      •  IninewCrow   ( @ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ) 
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        yes

  •  Commiunism   ( @Commiunism@beehaw.org ) 
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    Love how the exact same thing is now being said about the US lmao (the collapse part at least), I LOVE the media machine

    •  ☂️-   ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 
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    •  SippyCup   ( @SippyCup@feddit.nl ) 
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      FEED THE MACHINE

  •  softcat   ( @softcat@lemmy.ca ) 
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    Open up for trade! Wait no you’re not supposed to benefit, only us!

  •  daniskarma   ( @daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    China will be the best country in the world the same day fusion reactors will be available. Always in ten years. No matter when you read this.

    •  Cowbee [he/they]   ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Depends on how you define “best,” I suppose. I’d say we are already there.

      •  Fredthefishlord   ( @Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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        You’d have to have a pretty strange version of best to call an authoritarian country as such

        •  Cowbee [he/they]   ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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          All governments are authoritarian, as in they exert authority. What matters is which class is being represented, which class is exerting its authority. China is democratic. It doesn’t have a western liberal democracy, but it does have a comprehensive Socialist democracy. You can read this article talking about why the Chinese democratic model is in place and why the people support it, or this article on how the Chinese model of democracy works in contrast to western democracy, or this short video on how it works, or this video on how elections work, or this article on the makeup of the NPC.

          By what metrics is China not democratic? What mechanically would they have to change for you to accept the opinions of the Chinese citizenry on their own system? I recommend this introduction to SWCC, it goes in-detail about how elections and the democratic model work in China. what mechanically would China have to change in order for you to accept the system that the Chinese have implemented by and for themselves, and approve of at rates exceeding 90%?

    •  Phoenixz   ( @phoenixz@lemmy.ca ) 
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      Ten years from now, China will be in freefall down. Demographics.

  •  usualsuspect191   ( @usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca ) 
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    It is economy

  •  torrentialgrain   ( @torrentialgrain@lemm.ee ) 
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    These two aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive.

    •  sus   ( @sus@programming.dev ) 
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      What is mutually exclusive, though, is reality and China’s “imminent collapse” which has been looming just around the corner for the past 20 years

      •  torrentialgrain   ( @torrentialgrain@lemm.ee ) 
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        Idk people are saying the same things about the western markets as they have been for decades. Maybe a significant portion of people are just naturally drawn to crash prophets.

        •  ☂️-   ( @umbrella@lemmy.ml ) 
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          •  torrentialgrain   ( @torrentialgrain@lemm.ee ) 
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            Then you are not engaging in economically interested circles.

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    •  Cowbee [he/they]   ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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      Pundits have been predicting the economic collapse of the PRC for decades, there’s an entire sub-industry dedicated to “China Watching” that makes good revenue from predicting xyz economic collapse, and it exists because the West wants the PRC to open up its markets for foreigners to plunder freely, rather than the current situation where trade in China is heavily controlled and managed.

      •  ShinkanTrain   ( @ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ) 
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        How can I cash in on predicting China will totally implode next year trust me bro

        •  Cowbee [he/they]   ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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          USAID gone, money printer in short supply… 😔

          •  ShinkanTrain   ( @ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml ) 
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            This administration has been disastrous for the hard working propagandist

            •  Cowbee [he/they]   ( @Cowbee@lemmy.ml ) 
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              So sad 😔

  •  MrMakabar   ( @MrMakabar@slrpnk.net ) 
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    China is following the playbook of Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and similar countries. The all used window guidance to quickly grow targeted industries, which actually worked very well. All of them are wealthy countries today. However that dependence on how good the window guidance is. They take on a lot of debt to invest and it only works as long as the investment is actually smart. If not the debt increases and that causes massive problems down the line. So it creates a bubble and when it pops it hurts badly. After decades of growth those bubbles probably are nasty.

    •  KimBongUn420   ( @KimBongUn420@lemmy.ml ) 
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      What no theory does to a mf

  •  shaman1093   ( @shaman1093@lemmy.ml ) 
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    Run the gauntlet yeye

  •  Phoenixz   ( @phoenixz@lemmy.ca ) 
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    China has a demographics that will severely kick it in its balls very soon, and that is probably an understatement.

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