• Obelix ( Obelix@feddit.org ) 
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    I really am surprised at your comment. I do remember how the current war started and that was not by Israel doing anything, but by a massive terror attack that killed over 1000 Israelis. That Hamas attack had the clear goal to kill as many Israelis as possible. They went through whole towns and killed or kidnapped everyone. In that context you can’t use a slogan that is in the Hamas charta, that was used by Hamas in the past and is still used by Hamas and post "oh no, it has nothing to do with those terrorists, it is just a “national liberation slogan of the opressed side”. No, it is a slogan used by fucking terrorists and yes, if you are using it, people will notice it and think that you are promoting the goals of this terror group. If you really want peace, just use different slogans that can’t be misunderstood as trying to murder all jews in Israel and you’re fine. Maybe also try to distance yourself from extremists while advocating for peace, it really is helpful

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      Do you really think I need a lesson as to what crimes the Hamas fuckheads did on September 7th 2023? Save me the fucking lecture.

      But let me check you on something, because I’m really fucking tired with the arbitrary Start of History on September 7th, as if nothing happened before.

      The war did not start on September 7th 2023, because there was no peace on September 6th 2023.

      There was a ceasefire, that Hamas broke.

      There was also a ceasefire was in place between the 19th of January and the 17th of March this year. A ceasfire that was broken by an Israeli surprise attack that killed over 800 Palestinians.

      So if we apply YOUR standard to the “start of war”, then THIS war started on March 18th 2025 BY ISRAEL.

      You want peace? MUZZLE THE FUCKING ISRAELI FASCISTS.

      • Obelix ( Obelix@feddit.org ) 
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        When we agree that Hamas are fuckheads, then let’s agree that we should not use their slogans to advocate for peace. Use something else that can’t be misunderstood for propagating violence and then let’s stop this totally insane infighting everywhere and try to find a way to a peaceful solution, which gives both Palestinians and Israelis the chance to live in peace and prosperity.

        • acargitz ( theacharnian@lemmy.ca ) 
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          You keep saying it’s Hamas’ slogan. It isn’t. It’s a PLO slogan. Hamas use it, sure, but like other Islamists, they much prefer “min il-ṃayye la-l-ṃayye / Falasṭīn ʿarabiyye” and “min il-ṃayye la-l-ṃayye / Falasṭīn ʾislāmiyy”. Not “free”, but “Arabic” and “Islamic”.

          It’s also a rhetorical inversion of a Likud slogan. From their 1977 charter. And Netanyahu has been using it quite recently and his right wing allies have also been using it. Did you hear any pearl clutching when that happened?

          So what is going on is that the perpetrators of ethnic cleansing are using it, but you’re getting you knickers in a twist when the victims of ethnic cleansing try to reclaim it.

          Is you really want a peaceful solution start seeing the truth, that Israel is an anti-democratic Apartheid regime enforcing a brutal occupation, colonization and ethnic cleansing on the Palestinians, with full immunity and support from Western governments. Without a profound change in Israel, of the type that South Africa underwent, there will be no peace.

          Edit: since we’re on Feddit, sorry I should also mention: “with equal rights for all, especially Jews”. Like especially and particularly. All other people, are just in the “for all” category but feddit wants Jews in an especially and particularly category. Not antisemitic that policy at all.