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I honestly wonder when, if ever, we will get to the point that ICE is met with solid resistance that keeps pouring in and refuses to let them leave without shots being fired.
I wonder if we will get to the point where ICE gets met with armed resistance.
I wonder if we will get to the point where regular citizens see an ICE raid, call up their local militia, and take up arms to protect our fellow citizens from kidnapping, torture, and death.
I wonder how long, if ever, before Canada opens itself to refugees fleeing persecution in the US, and a new underground railroad is established to get POC and LGBTQ+ to the saner land up north…
This is where we are headed. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go back and relearn their ww2 history.
Unfortunately, I fear that that the first 3 options would lead to something similar to a Waco-ATF incident. Civilians simply cannot surmount a force that has permission to use modern military equipment against the populace. It would be far more likely that the city would be burned to the ground, and each “law enforcer” would be acquitted in a federal court.
I do believe there is a possibility that a hostile public would make things difficult for ICE, but realistically protected emigration would be the most successful solution. Even though I dont want to leave California, I may have to emigrate with the others to stay alive.
I heard someone reply to that argument once with, “ask The Taliban”. I’m not sure I agree. But it did make me think.
I don’t think they are active equivalents. Unlike that situation, this is home field for both sides - with key infrastructure and intelligence data held extensively by the aggressor. The populace is not motivated or unified in ways that a populace defending against a foreign invader would.
While the technological gap may be somewhat different, the ability to conceal equipment is very limited by the defenders. It is unlikely that the aggressors would “withdraw” from the area as well, since their command would not tolerate losing a key economic and strategic location for the US (California has numerous military installations and production facilities). It is far more likely that ICE/Federal forces would double down.
Granted, this is from my perspective as an engineer who is trained in analyzing problems through a systems and logistics mindset. I don’t know how passion or the human psyche would play into this.
I still believe these are not apt comparisons though.
I honestly don’t think Americans have it in them to do any sort of serious resistance.
frustrated? fucking arm yourself! they are no better than Gestapo at this point, fuck those Nazis!
lol there’s like random people innocently milling about on the sidewalk and these fucks are throwing flashbangs like play GI Joe much guys? Some 10 year old on CoD fucked your mom? You take yourself seriously much?
People enjoy themselves = absolute threat to the system.
They want only suffering for those they deem unworthy, because cruelty is the point.
If you honestly can’t see how a non-white, non-hetero, or trans person merely existing isn’t causing good God-fearing republican direct, concentrated harm, then I don’t even know what to say. How dare they try and enjoy life while within the sphere of influence of their betters?!?!?!?! //!? /&?
Next you’re going to suggest the poors are actual people.
/s, in case anyone needs it.
Im so confused how these keep happening without someone eventually whipping out an AR and popping nazi heads. I would never condone that of course 👀
Because the gun nuts that you keep hearing about are either with them or on their side.
These are just regular folks they’re rounding up
Regular folks go to work, pay their bills, pay taxes and are part of the community.
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You don’t think they know that?
Family in a car: easy target Dudes at work in a kitchen/construction: easy target 12 year old cancer patients: easy target
this is who they go after…
Real gang members? Cartel men? Nah…that would be like confronting a school shooter…and that ain’t happening
I’ve got a penis and a prescription to estrogen, give it time, they’ll show up.
Fucking cheering you on from over here! Keep it up, you know the world has your back… eventually
The typical ones maybe, but life is a game of statistics. With hundreds of these happening there should eventually be some crazy dude on the “right” side.
Then suddenly it’s not okay to shoot anyone on your property and witb how ICE operates I see it as completely reasonable to shoot at unidentified masked men.
I see this as well. Masked men in plain clothes with no ID taking people off the street? that’s a gang.
And then they get to enact Martial law. Which is what they’re after anyway.
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As a California native, it is incredibly difficult to get the kind of firearms that you see toted around in other states on social media, because of our state’s gun laws.
There are alternative ways to get weapons like those, of course, but it’s not very sustainable or comparable to something made by a proper gunsmith. Also getting your hands on ammunition in this state is both difficult and recorded at each transaction.
For those reasons, its unlikely to happen, as much as it pains me to say.
Of course, this changes quite a bit when people organize around this. But a lone wolf is not going to work well here.
I recommend the VR80 shotgun. It is available in California - 12 gauge, semi-auto, uses magazines, and apparently uninstalling a pin near the magazine catch can allow the magazine to be released like a non-compliant. When compliant with CA’s restrictions, you can open the shotgun like a lever or split action, allowing the magazine to be removed. With a 9-rounder magazine, you can dole out quite a bit of hurt. Of course, you can go bigger if laws no longer apply.
The biggest issue with it, is that you need to shoot about 250ish rounds for the gun to loosen up - early on, it tends to have jamming. It should sing once you got in some practice. This shotgun is ambidextrous and patterned after an AR15, so you can attach assorted things to it, and readjust bits of it to suit yourself. I personally find the stock to be unergonomic, but again…if laws no longer apply, you can fix that.
Note, however, this shotgun requires a specialist technician for major repairs. It is something like a decade old, so that means the know-how is fairly rare. Aside from that, it is easy to care for everyday usage, like most shotguns.
I am debating what type of ammo to use with mine as standard. I want to be able to hit drones, while still being able to melt some armored ICE by hitting limbs. Probably a 000 load, since a militia realistically wouldn’t want to be too close to receive accurate fire. It will take me a couple months to figure out what is the right ammo for me.
While you can’t purchase a gun out of state you can purchase ammo out of state.
Or at least to the best of my knowledge. Many states only want to know if you’re 18 before selling you ammo, effectively meaning no ID checks
Moment you cross the state border back, you gotta declare it, forfeit it, or try to smuggle it. Legislators thought of that, same with importing guns.
Wait… There’s border checks between states or something?
With very few exceptions, California doesn’t grandfather equipment into new gun regulations. The presumption is if you possess ammunition/guns that aren’t on prior sale records (IE: out of state purchase), you need to declare and possibly surrender them.
Given that all in-state transactions are recorded (as I mentioned in my prior comment), if any LEO found ammo or guns in your car trunk along a state line, you’re cooked.
Not guaranteed to happen, but certainly not risk free.
Imports have to through a FFL in most states anyway, but interesting they were able to apply that to ammo too.
So, they use flashbangs for… immigration enforcement ? The one “less lethal” thing that a lot of police forces actually stopped using on civilians because it was too dangerous even by their standard ?
Police forces stopped using flashbangs because they were legally restrained in many locales, due to a variety of incidents including grenading a baby’s crib. I doubt they would have stopped otherwise.
Edit: US police forces
I mean, we’ve had a lot more issues with flashballs here in France (mostly gruesome injuries but also several deaths) because the cops can’t be trusted to actually respect the safety guidelines, and the government is still ordering them by the millions every time they’re about to vote an unpopular law
