so now proton completely blocking account creation through their onion adress? I have standard protection, javascript enabled. Time to swith for those who use this service as they are ditching tor and switzerland?
A lot of push against Proton on here lately. Makes me suspicious.
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I am deeply sorry to whichever moderator i offended so much that they needed to delete my comment. Thanks to your guidance I have now learned to hate Proton like a good lemming and will boycott them for the rest of my life as penance for making you cry.
Valid criticism is suspicious?
OP said they are blocking tor users. I say the error message might just be legit and someone is spamming username existence checks through Tor.
Not saying it’s some sort of conspiracy theory, but it do be kinda sus. People are just quick to hate Proton over anything. It’s like bias confirmation. They seem to be justifying their hatred, or looking for reasons to do so. I mean, “leaving Switzerland”? Really?! I thought that was because Switzerland was considering a privacy-unfriendly law. That’s bad, now?
it should be possible to criticize a mail provider without being flooded by it’s evangelists. Especially proton, their image of privacy does not reflect reality at all
Have you actually asked proton support about this issue, if so what have they said?
It seems like you got frustrated and instead of trying to get help you decided to complain on lemmy.
Hi, they have average response time 1 month. Probably it’is not useful when you want create account now, yes? “instead of trying to get help you decided to complain on lemmy” and what? proton blocked tor, it is their decision, it is not a bug. I have my other email provider so I do not need to beg proton to unblock tor registration. My objective was to inform lemmy users about this, I did not ask for help in my post as you noticed. If proton company is interested in their customers they can monitor such complaints but since they “cut their presence” on mastodon and opensource media platforms it will not happen.
The average response time is nowhere near a month.
It seems more and more this was a bad faith post. I’m not sure I believe you even use proton.
Look, for me it is not important if you believe me or not. I dont beg yout to ditch protonmail
You say that and yet you feel the need to respond and down vote.
If you didn’t care about what others thought you wouldn’t have made the post.
Just lets dont play Hannibal Lecter’s dialogue and stop conversation.
So odd how this works for everyone else who tries it and support answers them in less then a months time…
Do not believe other, try by yourself.
You are blocked for lack of interest in conversation.
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I have tried a new circuite before publish this post - without success. but considering that I use their onion adress they could nit see my tor exit node as far as I now, anyway.
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Yeah, I’ve had to go through 20 or 30 circuits once to make Google’s captcha allow me through. It just failed with the message “Unusual traffic from your computer network”. Someone was probably running a botnet, as this only happens rarely. If Google wanted to block Tor, they’d have done so by now anyway.
He used the onion address, which doesn’t go through an exit node like regular darknet-to-clearnet traffic.
and what can they apply that limit to, if not to all tor visitors? It’s not like they can distinguish them.
Proton always felt like a scam to me. Their claims on privacy and security are questionable at best.
My issue exactly. Their marketing isn’t careful, which I would expect from a security focused business.
to me it’s not that they market their security, I think it’s still meaningful. if they actually dont keep unencrypted messages, that rids them of the need to hand over past data when police comes knocking. but the way they do discounts, the way they publish prices on the pricing page, and things like that that make me question whether do I really want to recommend this to others.
If they still hold the private key, your mails aren’t encrypted. And even if it’s the case you still have to trust them that they don’t save the plaintext email somewhere else before they run tbeir encryption.
you still have to trust them that they don’t save the plaintext email somewhere else before they run tbeir encryption.
and that’s what I do. I trust that they are doing it. what better can I do? the other option is to use a provider that 100% is not doing that, which does not seem to be better. or hosting it for myself, which maybe a small minority of people are capable to do it
Yeah, thats the issue. At some point you have to trust the provider or host yourself. I know from friends who worked at my email provider that they actually encrypt and not save it but thats a luxury not everyone has.
Thus this feature is a “nice-to-have” that should not be relied on.
Now with LLMs to provide extra security (not)
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Because i can easely create account on clearnet
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What else should be tested? I think this guy deserves praise for his methods
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I remember when they had an onion domain and the signup button would redirect you to the clearnet page for signup. Afaik it also did that bullshit at some other places. So I wouldn’t be surprised.
what purpose of the site if you cant use it for registration? regarding your notice reddit has onion site too for example but after I cant login to my account after sign up too… facebook has onion site too but if you sign up through onion site they will restrict your account and ask for id… So maybe its not something that important?
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Does anybody know valid alternatives to proton mail, I think they have been enshitified
Tuta ? But only for mail AFAIK.
I use posteo.de provider, it costs 1 eur for month, 3 adress, they have inbound encryption of emails as proton, also they dont accept crypto but you can pay by cash and card and “All of our payment methods are anonymised using a payment system developed by Posteo. We do not link payment information with email accounts.” You can learn more about their privacy features on their site https://posteo.de/en/site/features#featuresprivacy
Why are you trying to sign up for Proton if you already use another provider?
how this question is relate to my post about proton blocks registration through their onion site? sorry but I only interested in respond questions directly associated with this or other email providers. my decision to try proton as additional service should not be the problem…
Seems a fair question to ask someone who makes a post to direct people away from a service under the presumption that they were trying to use it, only to find in the comments that they already use a different service that they not only enjoy, but are happy to freely advertise for.
Also, your justification for their lack of crypto payments is that they use a payment system they designed themselves, which I find funny since most of the complaints I see about Proton (granted, not yours) is the unverifiability of their operations, leaning on “Just trust me, bro.” which is the same thing as this site’s payment processing system. 🤭
Did you have so much free time to criticise me unstead of doing something important? Such a good decision.
Instead of being so defensive about it you could just answer the question… Did you have so much free time you decided to try signing up for a service you had no intention of using just so you could complain about it?
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You don’t know if I signed up for posteo after or before tryibg with proton.
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You are blocked now for offrnsive behaviour and insinuations about me.
Have a good day bro, LOL
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it’s not a fair question people can use multiple email providers, especially a privacy conscious person would know that. proton logs your ip and gives it to the police when they ask, without warrent
They had a warrant.
It’s okay to have privacy concerns regarding that, but don’t make shit up to make it sound worse than it was.
i’m sorry can’t you have multiple email accounts anymore? privacy and all that, remember?
Sure you can. Wouldn’t that have been an easy excuse for this guy to reply with instead of all this defensive bullshit?
Mailbox.org (option if you want custom domain) or Posteo.de
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that sucks, this means no more hiding metadata. However, they aren’t ditching switzerland (yet) - this only happens if the government applies the new surveillance rules which is not set in stone yet.
I use pgp and host mail myself. It’s not as hard, and it’s by far less problematic than a lot of people make it out to be. Don’t trust hosters.
that sucks, this means no more hiding metadata. However, they aren’t ditching switzerland (yet) - this only happens if the government applies the new surveillance rules which is not set in stone yet. I could agree with you but my threat model currently allows me to use third party providers
I generally agree with you but my current threat model allows it
