• passepartout ( passepartout@feddit.de ) 
      22·
      3 years ago

      Windows is shit, but the days where you have to do configuration if you don’t use some obscure notebook in one of the most used linux distros is over. I’d say gnome e.g. is pretty close to macos UI wise. There is also Hackintosh if you can’t live without it.

      As for why I particularly hate apple:

      • Bizarre pricing for comparably low tier Hardware (although not really comparable since apple makes their own ARM silicone)
      • Bad repairability, including flimsy collabs to produce some overpriced block of metal just to change an jphone battery lol
      • Walled garden / closed ecosystem. Blocking third party apps for users “security”. All this green bubble / blue bubble bullshit.
      • productivity and design wise alright machines, but utter trash when it comes to gaming.

      There are surely more / other points to make.

      • Nihil ( Nihil@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 
        4·
        3 years ago

        Arch Linux Desktop for coding and gaming, MacBook for mobile productivity. Best of both worlds.

        I know with 100% certainty that if my MacBook did a thing last week, it will do it tomorrow. No lost files due to updates, no weird crashes, no ads, no candy crush. If I’m out somewhere, that reliability is worth the premium. And, at least on Mac computers, you can unlock the walled garden if you really need to.

        There is no use case for windows in my workflow. Might not be true for everyone though.

      • ruination ( ruination@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
        1·
        3 years ago

        That’s only iOS, and I’ve heard that EU’s trying to put an end to that. Third party apps works fine with macOS; never once have I even touched the app store, only Homebrew. I do agree that the lack of control and freedom you have is egregious, especially for such an expensive device, there really should be an toggle to turn all of that restriction off for those who knows what they’re doing. I’m also pessimistic about the future of macOS given the absolute bullshit Apple’s been pulling with iOS. I can only hope Asahi Linux gets feature parity with macOS by the time they do the same with macOS, else I’ll have to sell my M1 MacBook and get something else, and that’s a shame because despite less-than-ideal OS, the hardware is amazing.

    • CorrodedCranium ( CorrodedCranium@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 
      22·
      3 years ago

      Isn’t the whole Macs don’t get viruses thing a myth by this point?

      There are a lot more sources for random untrustworthy Windows software than there are for MacOS but that’s on the user the same way keeping your OS up to date is.

    • ErevanDB ( ErevanDB@lemmy.zip ) 
      13·
      3 years ago

      It’s mainly the terrible anti-consumer decisions of Apple that everyone dunks on, such as lack of repairability, lack of consumer choice, charging a fortune to change a single $1 chip, and being unable to run programs downloaded from anywhere but the app store.

    • Altima NEO ( altima_neo@lemmy.zip ) 
      8·
      3 years ago

      Because they’re such a heavily walled garden.

      It’s great for my parents who know nothing about technology and computers. They just need to go online and check emails and social media.

    • johnthedoe ( johnthedoe@lemmy.ml ) 
      4·
      3 years ago

      I don’t care what anyone says. On a user level MacOS is by far the best ready to go experience. I love using Linux Mint and I wish I would use it full time to be free of corporate OS’s. But that’s not the case and Mac is well ahead in my eyes.

      • NightDice ( nightdice@feddit.de ) 
        1·
        3 years ago

        Just to be clear, because the following could be misunderstood when posted alone: I’m not looking for an argument, use whatever you prefer. I’m just curious.

        What use cases do you have that aren’t available (or take lots of configuration) on Mint?

        • johnthedoe ( johnthedoe@lemmy.ml ) 
          1·
          3 years ago

          Thanks for asking. Unfortunately I’m stuck using certain Adobe apps. There are Linux alternatives but I work with clients and external parties so working files need to be shared. So can’t risk compatibility or even drive format issues.

          Plus hardware wise apple really hit it out of the park with apple silicon. I’d love to see the desktop gpu race move towards efficient even a little bit to tempt me.
          Gotta give credit where credit’s due.

    • Sticky Fedi ( taanegl@lemmy.ml ) 
      4·
      3 years ago

      My dude, if you find you need to “babysit” Fedora or Ubuntu, I’m kind of doubting your tech literacy - i.e the basic level of tech literacy you need to operate macOS or Windows with.

      And also, just because something is UNIX doesn’t make it good. Shout outs to HPUX.

      Also, Apple is tracking you on macOS and iOS, similarly to Google and Microsoft. They call it telemetry, but are you SURE they don’t collect identifying information and canvas you?

    • Vamanos ( Vamanos@lemmy.fmhy.ml ) 
      3·
      3 years ago

      Every time I offer similar views the responses I get are somewhere along the lines of

      But you can run Linux on windows! You can install most of the same tools on windows Just run everything in docker anyway

      I’ve been coding most of my life. Usually people don’t understand just how sucky the tool chains are on windows when you step into certain dev work.

      If I ever have to setup multiple python virtual envs again I’ll fucking just quit. Pipenv. Virtualenv. Poetry. Every fucking one on windows has been riddled with bugs

    • ruination ( ruination@discuss.tchncs.de ) 
      2·
      3 years ago

      macOS is fine, for now, but with the direction Apple is going right now with all the spyware they’re putting on iOS, I’d rather start using something else than get caught off guard when they start doing the same with macOS. I still have a MacBook, but I’ve long since switched to using Linux as my main system, so when the day comes and Apple decides to install spyware on macOS, I can ditch it in a heartbeat without shedding a single tear. Also, I’m not a big fan of the lack of options and customisability on macOS. I get that it’s meant to help non-tech-savvy people so that they don’t break their system, but at least make a toggle that’s lets you turn all of that off for those who knows what they’re doing.

      Lastly, Linux distros like Fedora or Mint is very easy to use, and at least in my opinion, entirely negates the argument that “Linux is hard”. It’s only as difficult as you want it to be. The only major roadblock is support for common proprietary apps, and while I don’t usually use them, I’ve heard that they’ve become far better recently. As a cherry on top, it’s lighter and, best of all, has no spyware.

    • wolf ( wolf@lemmy.zip ) 
      2·
      3 years ago

      I am literally forced to use Apple at work. I can life with an iPhone, because I use it just for its intended, dumped down usage and I overcame the annoyance about Apples fascism (alternative web engine). If you are not able to automate 100% of your setup on a proper UNIX machine, please do the programming community a favor and switch your line of work. Apple is such a shit show: no keyboard driven workflow w/o extensive customization, how the fuck can I automate 100% of the the setup/customization, why the fuck do I have to upgrade every fucking single program interactively with a click, why are the package managers homebrew and macports as shitshow like Linux 25 years ago, why is macOS so bloated and fucking slow on a machine, why is the development experience for mac worse than Visual Studio 6 (!), Finder is such a sad joke compared to file managers on every other OS or DE, why can I not easily enable transparent file compression when I am a grown up user etc etc etc. Seriously, macOS is nice for consumers with too much money. The literally only thing macOS does which I envy is the tag system which works. Don’t get me wrong, Linux is also a shit show, but compared to macOS it is like the best thing ever.

    • annenas ( annenas@beehaw.org ) 
      2·
      3 years ago

      From my experience with people that are very pro Android vs the pro iOS crowd, it’s just that they’re trying to justify their own choice by uplifting the OS they chose and sometimes tend to focus only on the negatives of the other OS. The same can be said for the various desktop OS crowds.

      I’ve used both Android and iOS, as well as Windows and MacOS (and intend to try Linux at some point) over the years and I never thought one was generally better than the other. All these OSs have different target users and that’s ok. Just because you’re not the target user for OS A, doesn’t mean that OS B is objectively the best OS for everyone. It’s just the best OS for you. And why people feel the need to bash other people’s choices or even make fun of them for it is beyond me.

    • monk ( monk@lemmy.unboiled.info ) 
      2·
      3 years ago

      One doesn’t “get privacy”, privacy can’t be bolted on. One starts with full privacy and then begins losing it to bad decisions, like choosing an inauditable OS that phones home and everything.

    • Altima NEO ( altima_neo@lemmy.zip ) 
      1·
      3 years ago

      Because they’re such a heavily walled garden.

      It’s great for my parents who know nothing about technology and computers. They just need to go online and check emails and social media.

    • words_number ( words_number@programming.dev ) 
      11·
      3 years ago

      Honestly, most windows users I know at least know where their files are stored and stuff like that. Average Mac users don’t know if something is synced with the cloud or not and can’t unpack a rar archive without calling support because they are deliberately kept dumb by that restrictive, overly oppinionated, lock-in OS and unrepairable, un-upgradable hardware ecosystem. I’m using linux as daily driver on laptop and desktop for almost a decade now and I hate windows with a passion, but mac manages to be even worse. Although windows is also getting worse with every version since win7, so they might be on par soon…

        • words_number ( words_number@programming.dev ) English
          1·
          3 years ago

          The rar example was pretty random because I encountered that once. Also, I have t admit that I also know windows users who haven’t got the tiniest clue what they are doing. I just feel like it’s even worse on mac because the OS is more oppinionated and tends to hide even more complexity from its users without actually solving it. Windows also has got some horrendous default settings btw., e.g. hiding file extensions in explorer and searching through documents content when using the explorer search bar.

    • wolf ( wolf@lemmy.zip ) 
      4·
      3 years ago

      To quote a designer friend of mine ‘Apple is the king of average’. :-P Most people I see using apple don’t even understand how shitty the UI is if your workflow is keyboard driven (snap windows w/o 3rd party programs for example.)

      • MasterCelebrator ( MasterCelebrator@feddit.de ) 
        8·
        3 years ago

        My main Problem is with my music production Software and Hardware, which cant be easily installed with wine. Other than that i have affinity suit which works with wine, but not without Problems. Lastly i use davinci resolve, which claims to Support linux natively but barely works.

      • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him] ( PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
        2·
        3 years ago

        So I have some old music projects that are basically stuck on Windows. Even if I moved over all the files and ran the plugins through WINE, I would have to go through the entire project and fill in the blanks with the WINE-bridged plugins and redo all the automation I have. Running the program through WINE isn’t really an option because my projects were just below the performance limit on native Windows. I know some programs run on WINE better than Windows, but I need real-time audio with a specific audio interface that doesn’t support Linux. I could use WINEASIO, but I would still be losing a lot of performance compared to native Windows, where again I am regularly reaching the performance limit of my setup.

        Also, I’m holding off for a few months on installing Debian onto my Windows work laptop because all my technical programs are ready on Windows immediately. I’m waiting until I get more storage and until I know if the programs I need for my future job are compatible with WINE.

        I love WINE as much as the next Linux user, but it can’t solve everything. I acknowledge that it is Windows rather than WINE or Linux that is making things difficult for us. Unfortunately, I need to have a native Windows partition for the foreseeable future, although I’m doing almost everything else on Debian on my home PC.

          • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him] ( PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ) 
            1·
            3 years ago

            I’m aware of Yabridge. The problem with Yabridge (or any other plugin bridges, like Carla) is that any plugin used with it will be treated by the DAW as an instance of Yabridge rather than an instance of whatever plugin it is. This changes what parameters the DAW looks for.

            If I remember correctly, the DAW is aware of parameter names in the VST3 standard. Most of my existing plugins are VST3 (compiled for Windows). In a typical situation, this is exposed to the DAW by the plugin when it is instantiated, and the automation and knob settings of those parameters are written to the project file under those names. However, when the project is moved over to Linux (or anywhere else other than Windows with all the same plugins), the DAW will scan the list of plugins that it is aware of, not including the Windows ones because it doesn’t know how to parse them. The DAW will simply give me a couple hundred “plugin not found” warnings. If I remember correctly, my DAW gives me the option to find and link these plugins by hand.

            So I could theoretically go through the whole project and remap all the plugin automation by hand, but there wouldn’t be any technical benefit. It’s just simpler to keep a Windows partition.

            Also, I have switched to Linux (Debian Bookworm w/ KDE) on my home PC for everything else. I’m loving it so far, especially KDE Plasma and KDEConnect. I don’t know how I lived without it. I might end up producing new tracks on Debian, but I have to install more software before I make that commitment. Really, it needs to “feel right”, which is admittedly not well-defined.

    • 0x2d ( 0x2d@lemmy.ml ) 
      1·
      3 years ago

      when I get a larger hard drive I will dualboot. Linux is MUCH easier for development stuff. I am using windows right now so I can continue to use some software (like Affinity Photo)

  • chumbaz ( chumbaz@lemmy.ml ) 
    11·
    3 years ago

    What an odd take.

    Every dev I know must be terrified of technology as they all use apple laptops. I don’t love apple but they make a pretty sweet *nix laptop for dev work.

    • momentary ( momentary@lemmy.ml ) 
      3·
      3 years ago

      My shop is about half and half, and I wouldn’t say that the devs with macs are afraid of technology, but I would say they don’t look real comfortable using a command prompt…

  • nekat_emanresu ( nekat_emanresu@lemmy.ml ) 
    4·
    3 years ago

    I don’t know much about it lately, but aren’t Fedora and Ubuntu considered bad nowadays? Mint imo was absolutely great every time I used it except for proprietary drivers needing extra reboots(might be different now)

  • randint ( randint@feddit.nl ) 
    2·
    3 years ago

    A meme about Linux and BSD and all those nerdy things on a general meme subreddit community that has more than 500 upvotes (with 1000 being a really high number of votes)? If this post was back on Reddit, say r/Memes, it would probably only get 100. Lemmy needs to somehow diversify its demographics such that less technical don’t feel as alienated after joining. (To be clear, this is not a criticism on this post.)

  • b1_ ( b1_@kbin.social ) 
    2·
    3 years ago

    I wouldn’t say I’m that techy and I recently jumped over to Linux Mint from Windows because it has the C-compiler gcc pre-installed and it’s UNIX seems to be a better experience for programming. It was easy to install, I find I’m going back to Windows less and less. I used to use Photoshop a lot, now I’m just using Krita. I’m lovin it so far. Only games are a problem maybe, although the game I play has a linux version, I just can’t be bothered loading yet.

    Linux Mint is supposed to be the easy for-the-layman Linux distro and that’s been my experience so far - everything has worked, no issues.

      • b1_ ( b1_@kbin.social ) 
        2·
        3 years ago

        Yeah, okay, I am a little bit techy, but so far I haven’t had to employ any of my limited techy abilities in Linux Mint. I didn’t even notice I was using it more, it just happened over a few months that I was finding there was no need to go back to Windows. To load programs on Linux Mint I just google “How to load program X on Linux”, and there will be a page saying, type “sudo apt install <program_name>” in Terminal and it always works and I’m done. (I’m a beginner programmer who was told to try Linux for the Unix stuff) .

        If you’re a gamer, I would look up any discussion of gaming in Linux - that would be my only proviso.

        • jaamulberry  ( Jaamulberry@beehaw.org ) 
          1·
          3 years ago

          I think the argument boils down to: Can a person who writes down their passwords in excel and calls chrome “the internet” use it. The answer is not yet. It’s better than it used to be but they is still a lot of work to be done. Typing commands in terminal is an actual non starter for my parents. In fact I would argue I don’t want them to be typing any sudo commands in terminal they got from the internet.