- cross-posted to:
- opensource@programming.dev
- cross-posted to:
- opensource@programming.dev
Hey folks! I’m completely new to Lemmy and still figuring out how everything works around here… But I’d love to share a project I’ve been building.
It’s called VOID (Versatile Open-source Infrastructure for Developers) - an open-source, local-first second-brain (note taking app but more powerful) application that combines the flexibility of Obsidian with the powerful organization of Notion.
Unlike many other tools, VOID is not just another note-taking app. It’s built with the idea of being a true second brain that you fully control. No vendor lock-in, no hidden cloud, no feature walls. Everything is open-source, customizable, and designed to adapt to your workflow instead of forcing you into someone else’s.
I’m currently building it with Rust, Tauri v2 and Vue.js. For certain plugins and configs, it also supports SurrealDB as a database.
check it out on my GitHub
You must log in or register to comment.
Unlike many other tools, VOID is not just another note-taking app.
no offense. but if I got a penny for everytime Ive heard this…
no offense. but if I got a penny for everytime Ive heard this…
yeah, I know) but I try my best to make this project as perfect and useful as possible
for everyone who walked this path of finding (or making) the perfect note app. there is no general perfect. everybody will find eventually a workflow which works - and evolves.
but I whish you all the best and that you may built an app which inspires many. :)
My like 10 year old, way out of date, note taking app for Owncloud that I forgot about just got a PR. So I guess perfect is different for everyone.
exactly.
the idea of being a true second brain
It’s good that it’s built with this idea, but what is the actual implementation of this idea? What features make it «a true second brain» that other «second brain» apps (obsidian and hundred other note taking apps) don’t have?
You might want to highlight what differentiates it from Obsidian, except being open source. Just from looking at the page, I don’t know what it means to have organization capabilities from Notion?
Thanks, i’ll rework README in the near future.
Yeah, the readme says stuff that don’t mean that much. Sure, all FOSS and no cloud but WHAT DOES IT DO??
Is it a notes app? Second brain doesn’t mean anything to me, and I don’t understand what it does from your README. The name is also confusing. What does it mean by open source infrastructure?
Yep, it’s just powerful notetaking app
Second brain and powerful note taking app just smells like somebody trying to make joplin but with AI assistants, I almost skipped your post because of the way powerful stopped meaning abundant and complex.
Second brain is a much used term really. There are plenty of second brain apps, it’s not some made up term.
“Second brain” is a term that has been around a while, but it does get used by a lot of people that are all in on AI these days so i totally see your skepticism. My issues with these second brain/knowledge base/etc tools is that I never end up going back to them to actually look up knowledge. Maybe that is why the AI people are all over it, because most people never use the actually notes they make. Either way, I found it best to just stop using the tools or leave myself semi-structured text notes with good file names.
I really like Obsidian for campaign notes and stuff while running ttrpgs. I’m sure the uses are possible to recreate in other ways, but it makes it simple and easy enough for me to actually use it.
I wrote a blog article about creating a second brain some time ago. It’s meant mostly for programmers, but the concepts hold true for other people as well :) https://blog.sewera.dev/second-brain
Oh, ok. I call that a knowledge base, or a personal knowledge base if it’s just for myself.
Cool!! Will definitely check it out.
Good luck with the project! I hope it becomes everything you want it to be, in time!
thank you, these words mean a lot to me
hi there, how it does compare with silverbullet?
https://github.com/silverbulletmd/silverbullet
like in the readme you say ‘no server’ then how do i use it on multiple devices?
i saw the editor video, cool, is way less snappy than silverbullet. in silverbullet they immediately render the markdown and that makes the cursor jump a bit.
I will create docker container for selfhosted synchronisation/collaboration server, and as option add p2p synchronization/collaboration. About silverbullet, didn’t try it, sorry
This looks cool, and I like your thoughts on it! Are you planning on an Android release too, somewhere down the road?
Yep, android version is already in my roadmap! I’ll start building it after VOID’s beta-release
Why is this better than zim?
I didn’t even heard about zim before
It’s great! Don’t reinvent the wheel
Why not just contribute PRs to an existing project?
I thought Zim was just an archival format?
Nope. But some do use it for mediawiki dumps. Never understood that, really
What’s wrong with just notes in markdown in vim or helix?
Amazing apps, but not for my use cases
I don’t see what the use case for VOID is.
It seems like there is more to it, but even if it was just open source Obsidian, that’s a valid enough reason to exist in my mind.
Yeah well I would like for it to have a list of features explaining what it does…
(
Nice rendering of headings, bullet points, checkboxes, code blocks, images and so on. I know there is something available for vim if you are using a terminal emulator that supports displaying images, but as far as I know besides a language server for markdown helix can’t do that. If there is something I’d like to try it
using images on the terminal is cursed, and helix does nicely render markdown with just the grammars, no lsp.
What I mean is for Headings to appear in a bigger size and so on, basically the difference between obsidian source and view mode. Also Not rendering Latex is a dealbreaker as well
for latex I understand, but not having titles be big is a sacrifice I’m willing to take.
There’s already many foss notes apps.
What none of them do well is syncing and collaboration without paying for hosting or self hosting. Joplin lets me workaround this with 2 Dropbox files (1 per profile, 1 being a shared profile) and it’s a pain. And the Dropbox file isn’t encrypted.
An encrypted API access file I can shove anywhere and use would be lovely as an option. Anyway I can share across users would be lovely.
What none of them do well is syncing and collaboration without paying for hosting or self hosting.
Not to pick on you here, but you’re surprised that nobody is bulding an app for free and then paying for a server to also give away for free? Open source devs already struggle to make ends meet - now they’re supposed to operate at a loss?
No, not at all. It’s an absolutly fair trade to pay for that service if they’re hosting my data.
Buuuuuut, if OP wants to make yet another notes app and hit a corner that isn’t yet covered, there are features of Google Keep that are not yet replicated well from a semi-DIY low cost perspective. AFAIK, I can self host to sync with some FOSS apps, but did too technical limitations on my end, I can’t reliably self host. So I have to use workarounds.
But of I can just use an API accessable file, and that data is encrypted, OP is a step ahead of Joplin. If I can collaborate with that API access without needing 2 profiles, that’s 2 steps ahead.
syncing and collaboration without paying for hosting or self hosting. Joplin lets me workaround this with 2 Dropbox files (1 per profile, 1 being a shared profile) and it’s a pain. And the Dropbox file isn’t encrypted.
You could use syncthing so no hosting is needed and no reliance on storing your data on 3rd party services. Though you would most likely have the same level of pain as Dropbox since they work similarly (although you did not specify what is it that causes you pain).
Because with Joplin you have to close the app to change profiles. And Joplin is a touch janky, so getting others to collaborate requires a steep learning curve. I really like Joplin, but not everyone in the house is as generous, apparently.
I was looking at Syncthing the other day, actually, but I need all users to cloud sync outside the house, so it’s not really able to do the same thing as Joplin with the dropbox syncing.
What none of them do well is syncing and sharing notes without paying for hosting or self hosting.
What about Notesnook’s monograph functionality? Unless you mean sharing as in collaboration not publishing
I mean collaboration, I’ll edit. Thanks for asking.
For free hosted collaboration you could use Cryptdrive or Proton Drive. They’re more “office suites” but plenty of people use word processors to take their notes.
I’ll look into Cryptdrive, but Proton doesn’t allow API access to Drive files.
Yeah cryptdrive also doesn’t have a public API afaik.
I do feel like you’re asking for a lot atp. You want something free as in gratis, hosted by someone else, that allows for live collaboration, with a public API? I feel like paying for foss (eg paying whoever’s hosting this) is reasonable at this point.
All I’m asking for is what Joplin already does with one improvement and one addition. So if OP is coding a new app from scratch, why not improve on what exists and is already a FOSS app anyway?
Joplin’s main drawback for collaboration is that the UI can’t handle 2 profiles syncing with 2 different files well, you have to close and re-open the app between profiles, going from your private personal one to a shared profile where everyone sees everything. It’s annoying, but not exactly torture. Being able to save notes individually to a set of profiles (each with its own local or cloud storage location) would be an improvement.
The encryption of the API file is the only fully new thing. When using the Dropbox API, it’s https, so it’s encrypted in transit already, so we’re halfway there. Encrypted at rest is all I ask - by the app so on the device AND in the cloud.
But even if I wanted to pay for encrypted storage on Joplin servers, it’s E2EE - so I would have to pay $90 a year for 3 separate accounts because the collaboration profile needs its own Joplin login, and it’s just being logged in to by everyone who is collaborating. Joplin doesn’t do API use because it breaks E2EE (why Proton and Cryptdrive don’t allow it). And it’s nice they say collaboration is part of their lowest tier - sure, if you share the login. Everyone sees everything. So a private synced profile needs its own account. Joplin is a loss leader for selling cloud storage to run the company. It’s not some passion project on the Fdroid store.
So a new app needs to do the encryption itself. Just do a 6-digit PIN to log in and ask the key, then run the data through AES. Looking around, it’s maybe 50 lines of code, so it’s not uncommon for apps to do that anyway.
Also, am I really getting flamed for not participating in capitalism enough by communism@lemmy.ml? I feel like I’m taking crazy pills!
I’m not “flaming” you. I think I’m being polite and expressing an opinion. I mean no disrespect to you.
Currently, we live under capitalism. Whoever’s running the server you use needs to pay for server costs. It’s the nice thing to do to contribute to those costs if you benefit from the person running the server. Your personal beliefs are not going to exempt you from the reality of how society currently works.
You’re welcome to request whatever features you want, but at the end of the day I feel like paying someone else to host a service of your choice is the easiest route for you and not unfair to you. Unless you’re up for sysadmining yourself in which case you can save money and only pay VPS costs.
Awesome! I want more and better apps in this space. I personally don’t trust myself not to lose my phone, so I want to manually sync files to some trusted place, or preferably, have webdav/nextcloud for syncing the way some notes apps have it. It’s your project, so do what suits you, but that’s something that would push it to the top for me.
Nothing beats syncthing and git
Cool, I’ve been considering something like that, I was set on using trillium but now I guess I’ll also give this one a shot !
this looks cool!
What’s the difference compared to Trilium?
