INFO!!! fairphone DOES SUPPORT CUSTOM ROMS!!!
i like the idea of a fairphone. i dun wana buy one tho - if it doesn hav the features i need/wan.
if fairphone had all dis stuff - it would hav a genuine moat, besides the sustainability stff-
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The missing 3.5mm Headphone jack hurts so much :(
yesyis, also my biggest gripe ;(((
if i cud jus hook up my good lil headponies - like - i wud keep that phone for however long i cud keep it-
I use a dongle and get better audio quality than I ever had on an integrated jack. I really don’t care if a phone has the jack. If I want something compact on the go, I use bluetooth ears. If I want to listen to high quality audio, I use the dongle with a quality DAC with proper headphones.
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Fairphone has sources available for it and an unlockable bootloader. There are nightly builds of Lineage already available for the FP6
And you can buy it with /e/OS prwinstalled which is a custom degoogled rom of android
postmarketOS also has rudimentary support for the FP6
And the removable battery was really awesome. Being able to turn your phone off completely in just 10 seconds without any tools. Or pop in a spare one and have a fully charged phone on the go.
Also maybe I’m paranoid but it’s really nice to know you can turn the phone completely off.
Yeah. This is also my opinion. I don’t trust phones to be completely disconnected when there is no physical switch, just a button that has to be pressed.
Fairphone with graphene os and headphone jack would be awesome.
Also I like your drawings and art style/visualization.
aww thanksies <3 <3 <3 <3
This is going to get buried, but I’m so glad to see this discussion on our comm!! This is something I’ve tried to bring up among other communities I’m in and it never really gains traction. Almost 100 comments on this is awesome!! Luv y’all very much!
heyhi ~ ~ ~ <3
im also happy this kinda post ig getting traction… i guess i should stick with this much simpler type of post… normally i make them like - suuuuuper colorful which kinda makes them less approachblable… meanwhile this one here looks almost… like advertising…
The design isn’t the reason I like it. I like it because of the issues it relates to and seeing people care about anti-corpo tech. If it was super colorful and chaotic I’d still love it! Keep posting however you want to post Smorty, we love having you 🫂
Maybe supporting more US-based carriers would hook me.
However, I applaud their efforts in addressing modern slavery and child slavery in their supply chains and manufacturing.
It is rampant, and buying many forms of technology are supporting those supply chains.
If people, not only lemmy’s people and a small minority care about the jack people would buy phones with jacks, there are good options but very few people do.
Most people actually like and prefere bluethooth.
Same for ROMs, when was the last time you said “wow, I sure miss custom roms” and the whole room went “meeetooo”. Hell, most people don’t even know what a custom rom is.
This is not what “the people want” is “what lemmy thinks everyone ones, but is actually only them circle jerking”.
Downvote me to hell, but is the truth.
Headphone jacks are less important to me than other features but that doesn’t mean I don’t want one. I have to use a stupid USB to headphone adapter thingy to use my headphones and I cant charge it while I do, which yes, is a thing I wanted to do a few times.
Well i know a lot of people irl who miss the headphone jack and none are lemmy users and not all are nerds
I know a lot of people who don’t, so? Anecdotal information.
We don’t have independant studies in this debate afaik sor anecdotal info is relevant here
Alright. I know no one outside of lemmy who cares about the jack, you do. Where does that leave us?
Well, some people care about it then
i said in the post “to get me interested”, not “to get the majority of people interested”.
It says clearly down to the right “Focus on features people want”.
I always say this when someone mentions fairphones:
Fairphone 6 does not keep up with standard Android privacy/security patches and has no secure element to provide working disk encryption for typical users not using a strong password, among other flaws.
Taken from the GOS forum
The idea is great, the execution is lacking basic needs in todays world. Missing pin code throttling is kind of insane tbh.
This is specifically about /e/os and not running on stock android though.
I couldn’t find the part where it says that but that’s what I thought. Pin code throttling is part of AOSP iirc, so they would have to go out of their way to remove it (or base their OS on an older LineageOS release like /e/os).
Edit: It’s not. It’s about the missing chip. Read the comment.
PIN code throttling can’t be implemented properly if hardware doesn’t support it. This is the very purpose of the secure element.
It has its own CPU, storage, random number generator and realtime clock. Once a secret (encryption key) is generated inside of it, it can’t get unlocked until this very tiny chip allows it. And the chip uses different kind of protections (in case of weak pins — the most prominent one is throttling using its built-in RTC clock).
If there’s no secure element, then attacker can just extract the memory chip and easily brute force the encrypted key on the much more powerful (and not throttled by RTC) hardware.
And since the PIN codes are so weak, even the strongest key derivation functions won’t help against such bruteforce.
TLDR - focus on features people want.
You think people don’t want accessories…?
naw- i agree, peeps want accessories. i was just mad that they made the backplate accessorie so that even the basic bavkplate has screws on the back… which triggers somthin evil in me - iduno-
I straight up refuse to ever buy bt headphones. I never really had a desire to use them, and having them as the only option pisses off some deep part of my soul that hates the power being exerted for such a selfish reason.
I just don’t listen to audio on my phone without playing it through a wireless speaker, or playing it through the built in speaker(in private of course). I honestly don’t miss it, instead finding other ways to pass the time around other people.
As a firm believer in wired headphones: you can buy an adapter to plug your 3.5mm in the USB-C. IMO it’s not ideal, but they’re small pieces and you can keep them connected to your headphones at all times, so you don’t even have to think about bringing them with you.
Personally, I made a 3.5mm jack non-negotiable for my phone, which severely limited my options. Next time I’ll probably have to get an adapter… :(
I’ve been forced to resort to them since it seems pin on my power port that handles audio signal has failed.
I hate playing stuff I’m listening to on speakers, even in private, I just always feel like someone else might be around, and I don’t want to annoy them, or even worse, have them judge me. It just makes me uncomfortable.
So shift phones are not known here ?!? Shiftphone 8
Missing the headphone jack?
That’s because building a waterproof phone which is easy to repair is hard to design with a headphone jack
No it’s not
wow!!! no… i did not know of em… but now ill look into em!!! (i saved ur message, thank u for pointing them out!)
Not known to me, but that sounds amazing
What is it? I don’t know it
I like the idea of the fairphobe, but its too big and too expensive. I’m poor and have small pockets. There are no contemporary phones that work for me.
Features ‘people’ want? Like being able to easily use the device, have a decent battery life, a good set of apps, built in security and not having to care AT ALL about most of things mentioned in that meme?
I don’t get what’s mentioned either. Fairphone literally partners with Murena /e/OS, other ROMs are also flashable on the device. What “people” want is to buy and be happy though, and their partnership does just that for at least the EU.
The only thing that’s both a fair argument and something I commonly hear from average users is that a 3.5mm audio jack indeed would be nice. By now USB-C to 3.5mm cables with built-in DAC (which also work on any PC, very handy) are available for less than 10€ though, so it’s absolutely more of a “nice to have” thing.
Sometimes I think about the fairphone and similar projects that face some sort of conflict with their user base, and I believe this is the great trouble with creating stuff for non consumerist people. For example, I love the concept of the fairphone, but will I buy one? Well, maybe in a few years when my current phone stops working and has no means to be fixed anymore. Mine is a low end device from 2020 that I repaired a broken screen earlier this year. It’s a bit slow, but I mostly run foss apps with very little requirements, so I don’t really care. Since the introduction of GSIs, android version obsolescence isn’t much of a problem for the tech-savvy anymore. I siply don’t have any plans of replacing it.
If I had to buy another one, I’d probably look for a phone exactly like the described in the posted image, and I also have those conflicts with the latest fairphone model. In fact, I’d probably buy the previous models. I don’t care for a version number of manufacturing date, or any other number, I just care for the actual use value to me. But for a company to stay afloat in our economy, they must release stuff often, or will be labeled as “lacking innovation”, and if they don’t follow the direction of other brands, the frequent buyers might leave them. And this is exactly the problem of such products, because their target audience aren’t the frequent buyers! If they try to make the frequent buyers happy, they will make the target audience unhappy, and vice versa.
As a matter of fact, When my phone eventually needs to be replaced, there’s a good chance that I won’t even need to buy another, because some friend or relative might have an unused one lying around that they just stopped using because it’s “old”, and I will gladly give a second life to it. It’s hard to compete with a sea of disposed stuff in good conditions.
I completely disagree with you here, I don’t see where you’re coming from. Custom Roms are Posssible and you can buy it already degoogled so idk what you’re talking about?! The switch is programmable? I Mike Accessoires I think they make it feel they give you cool choices, I want to fidget with them, it looks really nice to stim with. I’m nit sad about the headphone jack, I’m now used to bluetooth and it makes it cheaper to waterproff the phone.
Also it makes it stand out more as a phone which is not just eco-friendly but actually worth your money for features not many other/no other phone offers. Before it was hard to justify buying a worse phone, for more money. I also like how they apparently made a huge jump in power efficiency, before that was a huge dealbreaker for me.
i agree thad the backcover thing is actually kinda cool - but they leave these dark screws on the back which… is a complete turniff for me…
i rlli like havin a headphone jack… cuz i feel its jus useful… for like… headphones… n stuff-
and yes, its tru thad the custom OS stuff alrdi works, i jus wanted to emphasize thad its important-
Fair if you have them lying around. I just always git the wires tangled up and desttoyed them in weeks or months at most. With bluetooth I don’t forget to get away too far from my phone/pc and rip it half out and stuff… I think they made some pretty good improvements with this generation. I already saw a few people here in germany walking around with it. I think they’re on a good track.
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😸Guten Tag Maria🦄❤️🧡💛💚💙💜 Edit: Also your scribbling looks good, what app did you use?
Opposite experience for me, wired headphones just work. Anywhere, anytime, any device, instantly, with zero maintenance. Bluetooth headphones can just run out of power, can’t be used while charging, rely on the shaky Bluetooth standard, and are frustrating to hookup (especially when switching between devices).
I tried some bluetooth headphones, but I’ve ended up using far crappier USB-C headphones far more often. Still means I can’t listen while the device is charging though. Maybe two USB-C ports on different sides would work. Then a phone could rest uprite while charging and rest in a dock!
Headphone jacks are awesome if you want to listen to music at high quality and don’t want to put additional strain on the USB-C connector you’re going to be using all the time for other purposes. Although if it was a modular add in part like framework that could be a cool compromise.
Cool thst it works for you, I got my cable stuck/tangled up or forgot the length all the time. I’m happy with bluetooth,
