• wizzor ( wizzor@sopuli.xyz ) 
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      I think what we can try to do is to create an active community.

      In the old place, I recognized I really came for the comments. That’s why I try to keep my threshold for commenting low and comment often.

      Even if it’s just to thank someone for a good comment or other low effort commenting, I like to think it helps.

        • Paradachshund ( Paradachshund@lemmy.today ) 
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          I’m not a programmer so I can’t speak to how hard this is, but I think it would be a big asset to building user base if there was a neutral sign up website that wasn’t a specific instance. It would basically choose an instance for you automatically and skip that part. I figure there could be some list of general purpose instances compiled that are all fair game and the site would try to spread the load across instances.

          Average user doesn’t care about federation, and all of that complexity is a big turn off. I know because I almost didn’t sign up myself because of that. Having to pick a team just to get in the door feels kinda bad.

            • Paradachshund ( Paradachshund@lemmy.today ) 
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              Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion. This idea wouldn’t be to remove the normal sign up process, it would be a way to side step it entirely for those who don’t care about the technology aspect of it and just want to be part of the community.

              If you want to pick your own instance or suggest one, that would still exist. This would just be an alternative. It would also help to avoid everyone gravitating towards the largest instance, because it would try to load balance people automatically.

              • Blaze ( Blaze@piefed.zip ) 
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                Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion.

                I don’t, nowadays, I just point to piefed.zip

                This would just be an alternative

                The issue is that there aren’t really instances that are similar enough to be considered interchangeable. They all have their specificity, be it admin style, defederation, downvotes enabled or disabled, front-ends available, etc.

                • Paradachshund ( Paradachshund@lemmy.today ) 
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                  Yeah that’s a good point. Maybe it’s too different for it to work. I maintain that complexity will continue to push people away, though. If instances are that different we might have better luck referring to them as their own sites. That would just increase the flocking to single mega instances though. The most important feature of any social media site is who’s on it.

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            You have a point but maybe the gatekeeping is a good thing?

            Average user doesn’t care about federation would translate to the average user doesn’t care about this community. Maybe?

            It’s like how some old forums would charge for an account. Kept a certain low effort person from signing up. Sure it might turn people off but if you do enough work to understand how to get in then there’s a level of buying into it that might make you care more.

            Just some thoughts.

      • ptu ( ptu@sopuli.xyz ) 
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        Thank you for your service. I agree with you on the issue, but am a bit afraid that if more people onboard here, the threads will be just the same reddit hivemind circlejerk like ”i also choose this guys wife” etc. But since there is no karma to gain here I wish it will stay like this.

        • Tamps ( Tamps@feddit.uk ) 
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          Yep. I agree with this. Re-creating Reddit at the same scale just brings all the same problems. I like that federation means smaller more localised communities that can be connected (or not). I get that it’s not what everyone wants or is used to, and that’s okay.

  • Rhaedas ( Rhaedas@fedia.io ) 
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    Everyone who compares growth here (here being very relative considering how it works) vs. the idealized Reddit is forgetting something. Age. You don’t get peak Reddit by looking at its first years, and yet you’re looking at the literal first years for Lemmy and company and saying it’s not comparable. No, it’s not.

    Doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be constant discussion on improving and growing communities for better discussion, but the whole “oh no, the numbers are low” is ridiculous. Aside from being a aggregated discussion format, this is like comparing apples and cars. Reddit shouldn’t be a goal or benchmark, discussion flow here should be. I’ll be more worried about stagnation when feed numbers for myself drop back to the first few months, where there was concern about if federation would even work well. (and improving federation/defederation is also a great topic to talk about, it isn’t perfect, but it’s far better than it was)

  • Big Baby Thor ( thorhop@sopuli.xyz ) 
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    Let’s talk about the Overton window.

    At some point in time, the major social platforms will fuck up - probably by way of AI - and end up in a collective scandal that gives people a bad taste in their mouthes.

    At that point y’all better have your talking points, framing, concepts and schpiel at the ready, because it’ll be another chance to adopt even more users. So let me stress a couple of things:

    You win more bees with honey, you should be more concerned about peoples wellbeing than your own opinion and start collecting valuable, objective and giving accounts - be they international, but most preferably local - across the fediverse to share with new users.

    AGAIN!! You being a toxic little shit will repell people. If you REALLY CARE about GETTING PEOPLE OFF OF PREDATORY CORPORATE PLATFORMS plz be mindful, kind, shower, groom, keep your inside humor to your inside group, learn some rhetoric to improve your communication skills and remember:

    👏 you 👏 win 👏 more 👏 bees 👏 with 👏 honey

    Being on your A-game does not mean Asshole-game. Plz do not stink up the place.

  • tetris11 ( tetris11@feddit.uk ) 
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    • Clicks “All”, “Top Six Hours”

      • Sees impersonal biased news sources reporting how bad the world is
      • Every post repetition of the one above it
    • Clicks “Comments”

      • Scrolls for a while
      • Finds one person talking about how good their day is or one topic they’re passionate about
    • MotoAsh ( MotoAsh@piefed.social ) Banned
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      I blocked all the news channels, location channels (since they’re 90% news anyways), and a few extra that kept getting bad news related comments or trollish crap, and the top feeds are usually pretty good. They don’t change too much over a day, but at least it no longer feels like doomscrolling.

      • Tollana1234567 ( Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ) 
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        i dont block news channels, just the POLITICS on worlds. it was problematic enough in my lemmy.ee account they misinterpeted my comments as being anti-semitic/not being pro-israel, when i was calling out seinfeld and his wife as as a israeli shill that was agitating protests in the campuses. plus i detect alot of tankies, tankies adjacent on that communities too. news i dont have problem with discuss similar issues. of course any stray users that are tankies i will block too, and then people that try to disguise thier comments as helpful but is actually be super condescending.

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          Yeaaahhh, tankies are a pretty big issue on Lemmy, sadly… They don’t seem to understand they’re the equivalent of a dumbass redneck screeching about what ever false ‘fact’ they heard on Fox News, but from a supposed left framing…

          Part of the reason I blocked news, too. Not only do I not want to doomscroll, but I don’t want to get in an argument over how the news isn’t so bad actually and Russia/China/Mao totally already have a solution we just need to implement or some such shit. (ok bad generic, but it’s hard to generalize their flavor of fake enlightenment. lol)

          Almost as bad as the libertarians that think deregulating capitalism is the perfect solution to every problem.

  • Twongo [she/her] ( Twongo@lemmy.ml ) 
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    I recently joined Lemmy, i can’t share your experiences with a “decline” but i gotta say Lemmy works because it’s quality over quantity. Recognizing usernames again makes you realize you’re in a small community and people generally have similar interests and passions to you. I (mostly) try to put more thought into what i post here. The change I wanna see in online communities starts with me. 15 Upvotes and a well thought out comment on a post feels more rewarding than a lot of Karma and people trying to 1-up each other with snappy remarks. Also: no bots ❤️

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    @MattW03@lemmy.ca @fedimemes@feddit.uk

    To which extent does this graph consider non-Lemmy users interacting with other non-Lemmy users through Lemmy communities as “active Lemmy users”?

    I mean, I’m right now interacting with Lemmy using Sharkey. Similarly, I notice many Mastodon and Piefed users interacting with Lemmy communities. And that’s where my question comes in: would all of us count as “Lemmy users” according to the methodology behind that graph?

  • I’m getting Déjà vu as it reminds me of someone on Mastodon posting a graph of Mastodon’s daily users going down. Can’t remember if it OP of that post (Mastodon post, not this Lemmy one) or a news article that was like “Is this a downfall for Mastodon?”. Nope, it’s still around and I will argue, Mastodon is at it’s own lane which feels unfair it get compared to Twitter which feels like an Apple and Oranges compassion