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Unlimited growth is capitalist mindset. Stability and community are what we value here.
The fediverse has been feeling really good lately. It’s actually getting hard to scroll to the end of the frontpage.
Yeah. And we don’t need to attract the MOST people, just the BEST people
Rare user from feddit.it 🇮🇹
feels like there was a missed opportunity there
Could be fedd.it was already taken
Seems like it is… by feddit.it.
To late now though as federation doesnt like domain changes i believe. Even though feddit.de > feddit.org migration seemed pretty seamless.
This doesn’t seem to be hoping for unlimited growth but rather that is has stagnated and is even falling. That can kill a community especially when it is as small as it is
You see decline. What I see is that a remarkable number of users have remained.
Agreed, so much is stacked against us, these numbers show we are serious about making alternative communities.
probably went back the mainstream ones like reddit, and the others, assuming you wernt banned in any of those platforms permananetly.
Well, this is really going to tank our quarterly report. What do you think the shareholders are going to say?!
So much this^. No where else did have I gotten more thoughtful and well written responses to my few questions I have raised on askelectronics@discuss.tchncs.de. It “only” has 3.88k subscribers but those who are there are really cool. ~Wish I could be of more help there as well.~ In times where most of search results on the web are AI generated it really is worth a lot. Wouldn’t want it any other way and think that having more might actually be counter productive.
It is what it is. I have no idea how to incite a new wave short of Reddit shitting itself in some way
I think what we can try to do is to create an active community.
In the old place, I recognized I really came for the comments. That’s why I try to keep my threshold for commenting low and comment often.
Even if it’s just to thank someone for a good comment or other low effort commenting, I like to think it helps.
We definitely need better onboarding. I am pushing for this on piefed via directs to newcomers@piefed.zip for new users to introduce themselves
I’m not a programmer so I can’t speak to how hard this is, but I think it would be a big asset to building user base if there was a neutral sign up website that wasn’t a specific instance. It would basically choose an instance for you automatically and skip that part. I figure there could be some list of general purpose instances compiled that are all fair game and the site would try to spread the load across instances.
Average user doesn’t care about federation, and all of that complexity is a big turn off. I know because I almost didn’t sign up myself because of that. Having to pick a team just to get in the door feels kinda bad.
- point people to one instance you like instead of a general website
- on Piefed, when people register, they can either join indeed the instance they’re on, or have a look at other options: https://piefed.zip/auth/instance_chooser
Incidentally Piefed have nice trend. https://piefed.fediverse.observer/stats&months=48
Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion. This idea wouldn’t be to remove the normal sign up process, it would be a way to side step it entirely for those who don’t care about the technology aspect of it and just want to be part of the community.
If you want to pick your own instance or suggest one, that would still exist. This would just be an alternative. It would also help to avoid everyone gravitating towards the largest instance, because it would try to load balance people automatically.
Having to explain federation is kind of the issue in my opinion.
I don’t, nowadays, I just point to piefed.zip
This would just be an alternative
The issue is that there aren’t really instances that are similar enough to be considered interchangeable. They all have their specificity, be it admin style, defederation, downvotes enabled or disabled, front-ends available, etc.
Yeah that’s a good point. Maybe it’s too different for it to work. I maintain that complexity will continue to push people away, though. If instances are that different we might have better luck referring to them as their own sites. That would just increase the flocking to single mega instances though. The most important feature of any social media site is who’s on it.
You have a point but maybe the gatekeeping is a good thing?
Average user doesn’t care about federation would translate to the average user doesn’t care about this community. Maybe?
It’s like how some old forums would charge for an account. Kept a certain low effort person from signing up. Sure it might turn people off but if you do enough work to understand how to get in then there’s a level of buying into it that might make you care more.
Just some thoughts.
I would love to have more diversity here, so I’m afraid I don’t agree with that. 🤷♂️
It’s that live now for Piefed.social ?
Yep, it’s live.
I haven’t checked personally. Requires making new accounts to check each time
It should also fire when you manually make a user from the admin panel, if you want to test it out
https://chat.piefed.social/#narrow/channel/3-general/topic/Onboarding/near/7719
You’re an admin IIRC?
Staff. I don’t think I can do that. I can check later
Ah, I misremembered!
Thank you for your service. I agree with you on the issue, but am a bit afraid that if more people onboard here, the threads will be just the same reddit hivemind circlejerk like ”i also choose this guys wife” etc. But since there is no karma to gain here I wish it will stay like this.
Yep. I agree with this. Re-creating Reddit at the same scale just brings all the same problems. I like that federation means smaller more localised communities that can be connected (or not). I get that it’s not what everyone wants or is used to, and that’s okay.
The rules of the game are different so Lemmy wouldn’t be like Reddit even with the same scale.
I honestly found that one funny, and I don’t mind the funny comments either.
Still I get what you are saying about the problems.
It is funny indeed, but after a while I felt exhausted after reading the same repetitive threads over and over
Is this counting Piefed?
No. It says lemmy only so no piefed or mbin
Probably because >50% of the posts on here are about depressing American politics
only because you keep joining them, i blocked out the main politics instances/communities, and there was significantly less of those annoying ragebait posts that you cant seem to think if its a tankie posts, or astroturfed pro-israeli post. even on reddit i avoided most of them, because i been burned one too many times by those subs for pointing out ragebaiting, or bigotry.
That is a naive point IMO. I have a 50+ word long block list, and I’m still getting US politics, tankie propaganda or climate doomer post on my mainly meme feed. I haven’t figured out how to properly filter them out, but at that point the platform would look almost abandoned from the perceived lack of posts.
Piefed has multicommunities. Makes it easier to have different feeds based on different topics
The issue is there just isn’t as much pull for the European/Canadian/Asian communities yet.
Every now and then I check to see if any activity has upticked in any of the UK subs yet, but the first post is always like a month ago. What can ya do.
The European communities have some activity.
Activity on feddit.uk communities seems quite good?
Maybe they’re looking at !unitedkingdom@lemmy.ml, !unitedkingdom@europe.pub or !unitedkingdom@lemmy.world. Still weird given the UK is one of better served countries on here.
Quality over quantity.
Must not be that. I’m still here.
Everyone who compares growth here (here being very relative considering how it works) vs. the idealized Reddit is forgetting something. Age. You don’t get peak Reddit by looking at its first years, and yet you’re looking at the literal first years for Lemmy and company and saying it’s not comparable. No, it’s not.
Doesn’t mean there shouldn’t be constant discussion on improving and growing communities for better discussion, but the whole “oh no, the numbers are low” is ridiculous. Aside from being a aggregated discussion format, this is like comparing apples and cars. Reddit shouldn’t be a goal or benchmark, discussion flow here should be. I’ll be more worried about stagnation when feed numbers for myself drop back to the first few months, where there was concern about if federation would even work well. (and improving federation/defederation is also a great topic to talk about, it isn’t perfect, but it’s far better than it was)
Reddit used fake accounts from the beginning.
If we want a real space it’s going to feel “dead” compared to that anyways.
So yea, I agree.
Let’s talk about the Overton window.
At some point in time, the major social platforms will fuck up - probably by way of AI - and end up in a collective scandal that gives people a bad taste in their mouthes.
At that point y’all better have your talking points, framing, concepts and schpiel at the ready, because it’ll be another chance to adopt even more users. So let me stress a couple of things:
You win more bees with honey, you should be more concerned about peoples wellbeing than your own opinion and start collecting valuable, objective and giving accounts - be they international, but most preferably local - across the fediverse to share with new users.
AGAIN!! You being a toxic little shit will repell people. If you REALLY CARE about GETTING PEOPLE OFF OF PREDATORY CORPORATE PLATFORMS plz be mindful, kind, shower, groom, keep your inside humor to your inside group, learn some rhetoric to improve your communication skills and remember:
👏 you 👏 win 👏 more 👏 bees 👏 with 👏 honey
Being on your A-game does not mean Asshole-game. Plz do not stink up the place.
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Clicks “All”, “Top Six Hours”
- Sees impersonal biased news sources reporting how bad the world is
- Every post repetition of the one above it
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Clicks “Comments”
- Scrolls for a while
- Finds one person talking about how good their day is or one topic they’re passionate about
Also, consider switching to Piefed to be able to use the built-in keyword filter. I haven’t seen US news since using it.
Along with the newcomers comm I’m thinking about making those as default comms that new people are subscribed to.
Gotta balance out the doom.
Good idea!
Done!
Thanks!
You know, I had an idea for another keywords filter for feeds. It works in reverse. You type in keywords you want to see in posts and it then makes you a feed comprised of posts of that nature.
That would be nice
@rimu@piefed.social is this something hypothetically possible?
Sure.
You’d probably end up seeing very few posts, though. Rather than filtering the timeline it might work best as a “notify me when posts with these keywords appear” function.
Well depends on the keywords. If one was to make a feed for Trump it would come up a lot. But the idea would be you could combine multiple keywords, so you might have a dozen or so.
I blocked all the news channels, location channels (since they’re 90% news anyways), and a few extra that kept getting bad news related comments or trollish crap, and the top feeds are usually pretty good. They don’t change too much over a day, but at least it no longer feels like doomscrolling.
i dont block news channels, just the POLITICS on worlds. it was problematic enough in my lemmy.ee account they misinterpeted my comments as being anti-semitic/not being pro-israel, when i was calling out seinfeld and his wife as as a israeli shill that was agitating protests in the campuses. plus i detect alot of tankies, tankies adjacent on that communities too. news i dont have problem with discuss similar issues. of course any stray users that are tankies i will block too, and then people that try to disguise thier comments as helpful but is actually be super condescending.
Yeaaahhh, tankies are a pretty big issue on Lemmy, sadly… They don’t seem to understand they’re the equivalent of a dumbass redneck screeching about what ever false ‘fact’ they heard on Fox News, but from a supposed left framing…
Part of the reason I blocked news, too. Not only do I not want to doomscroll, but I don’t want to get in an argument over how the news isn’t so bad actually and Russia/China/Mao totally already have a solution we just need to implement or some such shit. (ok bad generic, but it’s hard to generalize their flavor of fake enlightenment. lol)
Almost as bad as the libertarians that think deregulating capitalism is the perfect solution to every problem.
People attack me constantly on Lemmy if I suggest to look at the positive a little more.
THE BEATINGS SHALL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES
depends on what and how you say it. people on reddit says, or suggest positive things but its more like insulting intelligence than offering advice.
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Yeah, we need more users. The fediverse/lemmy is stagnating in content because we don’t have enough people with niche interests. It’s mostly US-centered politics; we need more stuff from around the world. Fediverse/lemmy needs more users.
I like it the way it is, but fuck me right
I mean, we could, but we lack the niche communities…
;)
Do we? Why do we need the niche communities?
Reddit didn’t start with them either. Neither did Digg.
Well, no, the site doesn’t /need/ them as such but 100% it’s a major issue for people coming over. Their hobbies are represented on Reddit. But not on here.
Also, it was a joke about keenflame asking us to fuck them and that being a niche community.
Seriously though, the algorithm is a powerful mistress. Every time somebody leaves here to go visit a niche community that we’re lacking. They get a taste of that sweet algorithm again.
I managed to pretty much carve out all the algorithms in my social graph. Most of the stuff I’m seeing is from communities that I’ve curated. There is no doom scrolling on my feed. I really dearly love being able to consume, get the most important news and a couple of lols and then go about my day.
Fucking me is all but niche
XD Fair!
All dig needed was the Florida man tag, And not to release dig 2.0
This is actually pretty good user retention. Most platforms bleed way more users after a surge in sign ups (eg Mastodon, Pixelfed, Threads, Bluesky).
they most likely went back to the original platforms they came on, reddit, X,tiktok.
Should aggregate number of Lemmy and Piefed users (and maybe Mbin, NodeBB too), and see if the graph looks very different then
If your model depends on users coming from lemmy, you’re going to run out of users just the same.
If we factor all these softwares in together, the user amount might be steady or even climbing upwards. While this curve in OP is currently going down.
I’m decently satisfied with my experience here. Be careful what you wish for
I recently joined Lemmy, i can’t share your experiences with a “decline” but i gotta say Lemmy works because it’s quality over quantity. Recognizing usernames again makes you realize you’re in a small community and people generally have similar interests and passions to you. I (mostly) try to put more thought into what i post here. The change I wanna see in online communities starts with me. 15 Upvotes and a well thought out comment on a post feels more rewarding than a lot of Karma and people trying to 1-up each other with snappy remarks. Also: no bots ❤️
@MattW03@lemmy.ca @fedimemes@feddit.uk
To which extent does this graph consider non-Lemmy users interacting with other non-Lemmy users through Lemmy communities as “active Lemmy users”?
I mean, I’m right now interacting with Lemmy using Sharkey. Similarly, I notice many Mastodon and Piefed users interacting with Lemmy communities. And that’s where my question comes in: would all of us count as “Lemmy users” according to the methodology behind that graph?
And piefed/mbin/kbin ect…
I’m getting Déjà vu as it reminds me of someone on Mastodon posting a graph of Mastodon’s daily users going down. Can’t remember if it OP of that post (Mastodon post, not this Lemmy one) or a news article that was like “Is this a downfall for Mastodon?”. Nope, it’s still around and I will argue, Mastodon is at it’s own lane which feels unfair it get compared to Twitter which feels like an Apple and Oranges compassion
