The problem is China subsidizing their cars to suffocate the European manufacturers. When all the European manufactures are closed or sold to China, you’ll see the real prices.
Why wouldn’t they?
After decades of being the west’s factory they’d be stupid not to learn.
And better is just upping the QA more than their western customers (who want the cheapest possible 'cos line must go up).
Better is a whole lot more than “upping the QA”. The cars here are genuinely innovative and, more importantly, the logistical and fabrication techniques are innovative.
One of the major reasons the big name Chinese EVs are cheaper than their roughly equivalent western counterparts is because the companies are vertical, not horizontal, in their supply chain.
Yes. I’m aware that they subsidize the shit out of a lot of stuff. They saw the chance and took it. Of course, I’d like to see European cars, as that also means workplaces and plus for our economy.
For a greater time we already compete a lot with Japanese and Korean cars - I mean they build good cars. But in the end it seems more fair. And for what I know is that they also do very good options on the EV market - but will hardly compete with BYD or Xiaomi vehicles.
Yes. They’re subsidizing so hard that the EVs are dirt-cheap HERE. You know, all those companies running at a loss to sell … domestically … while somehow … innovating.
Compassionate fucking Buddha this endless whining about “subsidies” gets tiresome after a while. Grow the fuck up you idiots and leave the kiddie pool.
No, they shouldn’t, but it’ll be the same thing that US tech companies did, more or less.
I think the environment, in terms of IP and patents and running a company, should be made easier in the EU, otherwise there will be no domestic competition. Unfortunately those seem to only become stricter over time.
For China mercantilism works, because of enormous size of their own market, and pretty strong competition inside it with lax rules.
Well. In Germany we say “Der Markt regelt das”. Translated: economy speaks for itself. <- Ironically spoken
Like it or Not. China made it. They will also flood Europe/EU soon. I’m not mad, when they can, they should. This is our beloved capitalism.
One German politician warned car companies that they need to make affordable EV. They didn’t listen and still don’t.
Edit: Added “<- Ironically spoken” to first sentence to make clear how I was meaning it.
The problem is China subsidizing their cars to suffocate the European manufacturers. When all the European manufactures are closed or sold to China, you’ll see the real prices.
EDIT: Also, soon? They are already here.
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Why wouldn’t they?
After decades of being the west’s factory they’d be stupid not to learn.
And better is just upping the QA more than their western customers (who want the cheapest possible 'cos line must go up).
Better is a whole lot more than “upping the QA”. The cars here are genuinely innovative and, more importantly, the logistical and fabrication techniques are innovative.
One of the major reasons the big name Chinese EVs are cheaper than their roughly equivalent western counterparts is because the companies are vertical, not horizontal, in their supply chain.
Yes. I’m aware that they subsidize the shit out of a lot of stuff. They saw the chance and took it. Of course, I’d like to see European cars, as that also means workplaces and plus for our economy.
For a greater time we already compete a lot with Japanese and Korean cars - I mean they build good cars. But in the end it seems more fair. And for what I know is that they also do very good options on the EV market - but will hardly compete with BYD or Xiaomi vehicles.
Yes. They’re subsidizing so hard that the EVs are dirt-cheap HERE. You know, all those companies running at a loss to sell … domestically … while somehow … innovating.
Compassionate fucking Buddha this endless whining about “subsidies” gets tiresome after a while. Grow the fuck up you idiots and leave the kiddie pool.
There’s another word - mercantilism.
No, they shouldn’t, but it’ll be the same thing that US tech companies did, more or less.
I think the environment, in terms of IP and patents and running a company, should be made easier in the EU, otherwise there will be no domestic competition. Unfortunately those seem to only become stricter over time.
For China mercantilism works, because of enormous size of their own market, and pretty strong competition inside it with lax rules.
Not a fan of this sentence. Market doesn’t care about human sensitivities, not one bit.
Which one exactly?
Der Markt regelt das. No it doesn’t. Not without enforced regulation.
Absolutely. I’m sorry. I did not make clear that I meant it ironically.