It’s like the US only realized the cost of trump’s bullshit after the fact.
NATO made European nuclear ambitions less essential and thus helped reduce nuclear proliferation. When the US threatens that alliance and shows itself to be completely unreliable (does anyone expect donald to launch nukes in defence of Europe?) Then Europe is almost forced to get a European nuclear deterrent.
In the meantime, thank fuck for Charles deGaulle.
not to mention constantly undermines the UN and ends all treaties (if you can even trust any treaties Trump signs, probably not) that aim at reducing nuclear stockpiles. As well as starts illegal wars with countries that don’t have nuclear weapons following Putin’s example. It’s just idiotic.
The moment the US used the NATO deterrent as trade leverage, that ship sailed.
If they doesn’t want Poland to have its own nuclear weapons, Russian and the USA should put more effort into progressive nuclear disarmement as agreed by treaty:
the NPT non-nuclear-weapon states agree never to acquire nuclear weapons and the NPT nuclear-weapon states in exchange agree to share the benefits of peaceful nuclear technology and to pursue nuclear disarmament aimed at the ultimate elimination of their nuclear arsenals.
Russia stopped participating in START, that agreement officially expired last month, and there has been no new agreement between Russia and the USA tio reduce stockpiles. Trump is chaotic, threatens to invade allies, so there’s reason to doubt it would defend NATO allies.
So it’d be logical for Poland to look into building its own nuclear deterrence. The solution is to better enforce the NTP, decrease everyone’s stockpile, including Russian and USA’s.
Yep, the NPT was never about all other countries just ceding the power that is afforded by nuclear weapons to the countries that currently had them. And NATO’s nuclear umbrella indeed played a major part in making that acceptable too. It was supposed to be a two way deal. But it seems nowadays people with nukes have conveniently forgotten that. Trump probably doesn’t even understand the first thing about it ofc…
Ok, let’s just buy them from France then
This is yet another reason why Europe needs to develop its own independent nukes without any US involvement
France has already its own independent nukes. No need for reinventing the wheel. The umbrella merely needs to be enlarged.
True. And the UK has its own nukes but unfortunately relies on American missiles to deliver them.
Yes it would be good if the umbrella was enlarged, and also European countries could contribute funds and engineers for this potentially Europe-wide nuclear programme
Dear Americans, fuck off from our nukes.
This is a terrible predicament to be in for the north east and center of Europe. All future options are worse than the pre-Trump option. Which one is the least bad, also in terms of other countries’ responses? 1 France’s umbrella 2 US umbrella 3 Russian umbrella 4 north-east-central europe umbrella?
Why not for the south?
Because the south does not have a dangerous, expansionist neighbor such as Russia.
Without the rest of the EU, the south is nothing. The EU is in this problem together and when it comes to threats, it is not only Russia. The EU has to defend its supply chains and markets globally.
But there is a big chance that expansive Russia is for the most part western propaganda to split the EU from Russia. If Russia’s urge for expansion turns out to be exagerated then priorities could be put on other dependencies, like not having own CPU and memory production capabilities.
The second paragraph of your response… You think that Russia is not expansionist? What about all the countries it has invaded in its periphery?
The Russia of today is not imperialistic Russia and not the USSR. The countries were invaded in the past. We don’t treat France like that despite them bombing Libya recently.
Framing the Ukraine war as an imperialistic war is western propaganda. Russia wanted to cooperate more but the west blocked it, among them chancellor Kohl.
The world would be different if the EU and the Russian Federation were on a way towards peaceful unification. Using that as point of reference pales any gains that could come from imperial motives.
Abusive spouse “you better not fight back or I’ll beat you even worse” vibes.
More countries with nukes is not good, imagine Orban with nukes. But EU owned and managed nukes? Sounds great to me.
