• Sanctus ( Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ) 
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    Ignore the ivory towers atop which the officials sit. Cleanly above your protests, so that they might see the horizon beyond your squabbling. Had the people consumed the choices, and rebuked the officials, maybe they would not have to choose between marauders and raiders.

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      Remember when people tried to say Hillary was just as corrupt? Now it’s Kamala sat atop her ivory tower and is a marauder and/or a raider. They’re just as bad as Trump. It’s equal.

      Don’t vote, destroy your system from the outside. Let Trump win, let it burn.

      That is this guys message. And as cute this idea is when you’re 16 or whatever, once reality hits it’s not what you’re describing.

      Destroying, decaying and damaging a system hurts the lowest rung first and the highest rung, never.

      Voting does make change. It doesn’t when every election bozos like you try to dissuade more people from voting.

      • Sanctus ( Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ) 
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        You enjoy your preaching? My message is the same as everyone else’s here. Voting isn’t enough. A choice between two corporate representatives, one rabid and the other cleanly presented, is not a fucken choice. You don’t have to like it but every system gets gamed and eventually the people oppressed by that system must destroy it in order to gain a better quality of life. The writing is on the wall, everything is going down but the stock market. Wake up.

        • deft ( deft@lemmy.wtf ) 
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          You’re literally preaching you bonehead.

          Your message is not the same as everyone here.

          Voting works. The problem is people like you.

          If not voting was a candidate it’d win every election in a landslide. Dopes like you create an ouroboros of self confirmation, a self fulfilling prophecy. Voting doesn’t work, so why vote and now that people don’t vote, voting doesn’t work. So why vote?

          It’s a crap message stemming from a misunderstanding of the problem of our system. People have to buy into it. It’s “cool” not to buy into it.

          • Sanctus ( Sanctus@anarchist.nexus ) 
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            “If NoT VoTiNg WaS…” Bitch I voted. Every fucken time, and these monsters continued to tear the world apart, destroy anything I ever built, and say fuck you I got mine. I HAVE BEEN VOTING THIS ENTIRE TIME AND SHIT IS STILL BEINF CONSOLIDATED AT LIGHT SPEED. TRUMP STILL HAPPENED. THE NEXT TIME SOMEONE SAYS JUST VOTE HARDER IM GONNA THROW UP. Voting is the peaceful alternative, but ask the fucking miners at Blair Mountain how well voting worked for them compares to praxis. You sound ignorant as fuck. Every right we ever had came from the people getting fed up their blood was being spilled, their dead filling the cemeteries for the pockets of oligarchs. Fuck off with this “people like you” bullshit. I’ve been here and its not FUCKING working.

            • deft ( deft@lemmy.wtf ) 
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              Your first message was accusing me of preaching and now you type like you’re raging and being a little asshole.

              You’re stupid, your opinion is dumb and ill informed. Bye

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                Go read your first message to me, sweetheart. You grandstanded saying I wanted Trump to win. Dont act like I responded to your posted comment. It was the other way around.

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                  Because in reality that is what people like you are pushing even if you don’t realize it.

                  Who else is in the ivory tower besides Trump? Biden? Obama? Clinton? Kamala? Bernie? Who the fuck are you talking about? It’s nonsense, when reality collides with your ideals you realize how fuckin stupid it is. You literally accused all of those people of being in an ivory tower and acting as raiders. Those are your words.

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                    What the fuck are you talking about? It doesnt matter whose in the high castle what matters is we storm the parapets. Jesus fucking Christ you are dense. It makes no difference who is indifferent to the pleas of the common folk atop such a lofty position, it only.matters that they are so and we are paying the price. Make it Bernie, Trump, or fucking Wiz Khalifa, it doesn’t matter. What matters is you are still sitting here talking about voting when the oligarchs have run off with our electoral system ages ago through legalized bribes.

    • We do not yet know what it takes to organize the people to seize power from the ownership class. It’s a race we’re falling behind with every hour as the far-right propaganda engine that dominates social media and televised news is able to better draw people in and tell them what to think.

      Eventually, there will enough of us dead, and enough of us discontent and set on revenge that we’re willing to fight just because we have nothing left to lose. But American history has shown that we can also have incremental revolutions, usually steps of reform in response to hardship driven by inequity.

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        It never happens this way.

        Once group A “seizes the power from the ownership class” THEY BECOME THE OWNERSHIP CLASS.

        This is history, this is how it works. It’s very foolish to believe what you see on TV or what you’re told when reality has never gone that way ever not once.

        Voting has positively impacted the world, democracy has moved mountains.