Will I wake up one day to see everyone using Linux.

  • SatyrSack ( SatyrSack@quokk.au ) 
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    3 months ago

    I predict it will be reminiscent to the migration to the threadiverse. Every now and then, we have seen Reddit make some stupid decision, and then we subsequently see a wave of new users migrate to Lemmy. Eventually, one day, I expect Reddit will make such a monumentally stupid decision that nearly everybody bails at once.

    That is like what I expect Linux growth to look like. A few waves now and then with each major release of Windows, with each major Microsoft data leak, with each pricing restructuring, etc. Then eventually, Microsoft makes a single fatal decision that causes nearly all remaining Windows users to finally give up hope and migrate.

    • morto ( morto@piefed.social ) 
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      3 months ago

      If you look at fediverse monitoring stats, every new wave brings the total users to a very high peak, but then the users start decreasing steadily, like a capacitor discharging, until the next wave. It seems we depend on more waves to keep up with a reasonable number of people. It’s probably a similar pattern with linux. With the end of win10, if got to like 5%, but has been going down since then

      • JillyB ( JillyB@beehaw.org ) 
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        3 months ago

        I suspect retention would actually be better for Linux. I used to be addicted to reddit before switching to Lemmy. Now I’m less addicted and don’t check it as much as I used to check reddit. With a computer, making the switch means you’ve made the switch. Some people will dual-boot and go back to windows for some essential software but once you make the transition, you’re still going to use your computer.

        • morto ( morto@piefed.social ) 
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          There’s no such thing as a permanent transition when it comes to software, and the data (statcounter, wikimedia stats and even steam stats) shows a decline recently, whether we want it or not. A lot of people might have ended giving up and installing windows 11. I’d love to see linux stats go up and swallow windows. like almost everyone around here, but we got to be realistic. Our personal experiences are very biased, so that’s why we need to rely on data, which tends to be less biased.

        • adarza ( adarza@piefed.ca ) 
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          3 months ago

          every day i use windows less than the day before. i still ‘need’ it for some things, including work, but on a personal level it’s almost entirely linux lately… but it’s been a three decade journey.

  • James R Kirk ( Kirk@startrek.website ) Banned from community
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    3 months ago

    Assuming you mean desktop Linux, probably slowly. While Linux on desktop is growing, Desktops PC use in general is trending downwards and Linux on mobile is far behind the other players.

    My gut says that long before Linux overtakes Windows/Macintosh most people who want a mouse/keyboard/monitor experience will just plug their phone into a simple dock, like we’re seeing with Android’s “Desktop mode”.

    • morto ( morto@piefed.social ) 
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      3 months ago

      Assuming you mean desktop Linux, probably slowly. While Linux on desktop is growing, Desktops PC use in general is trending downwards and Linux on mobile is far behind the other players.

      That trend probably already stabilized

      • James R Kirk ( Kirk@startrek.website ) Banned from community
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        IDK I think we’ll continue to see incremental gains for a long time, especially as normies abandon desktops/laptops entirely and the entire market shrinks. Windows will probably continue to dominate in enterprise for long past when it’s fashionable.

  • Mordikan ( Mordikan@kbin.earth ) 
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    3 months ago

    Honestly, I hope that doesn’t happen. I think if everyone started using Linux it would end up being diluted with commercial entities. You’d have Linux companies like Canonical scooping up more and more market share until they are essentially just the Linux Microsoft corporation. At that point, any decision they make becomes the defacto law of the land despite smaller independent distros/groups trying to do things differently. Other choices would exist, but basically it would be like how most linux users have to live with systemd changes because it’s a nightmare to replace that without distro hopping.

    You’d still see off-shoots for the desktop space, but if you want to use <INSERT_X> then you have go through this company.

    • MangoCats ( MangoCats@feddit.it ) 
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      3 months ago

      At least in Linux you remain in control of the OS. If commercial players want to enter that arena, I welcome them, not as new Overlords, but as players on a level playing field.

      I’ll also throw in: the more commercial Canonical takes Ubuntu, the fewer machines I have with it installed. Ubuntu’s value-add over Debian has been dwindling through the years - coupled with Canonical’s rent seeking behavior, I’ll rate Ubuntu 26.04 as a net-value subtract as compared with “rolling your own” Debian solution.

  • If I’m being 100% real, it will not happen without some kind of MAJOR societal shift relating to how technology and law enforcement is managed. If Linux ever becomes the default option, you’ll have bigger things on your mind.

    • ScriptSage ( ScriptSage@lemmy.zip ) 
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      tbh I’ve always assumed it would take a majority of offices and other workplaces adopting it. Having no choice but to use it and then suddenly… “hey… why does this not suck?”

      Plus bigger workplaces have more leverage with software companies which would increase the compatibility pool

      Also the fact that I can pretty much run any exe through steam painlessly helped me with the switch. More people being aware of that could help

    • vandsjov ( vandsjov@feddit.dk ) 
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      Maybe, if the EU keeps it’s current will to change from American (or other non-EU) vendors to local, then Linux is the preferred choice. It’s already happening for public offices a lot of places. Hopefully this will spread the word and more people will adapt it for private computers. However, I want to see it happen before I believe it.

  • qt0x40490FDB ( qt0x40490FDB@lemmy.ml ) 
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    3 months ago

    People will use “shitty corporate Linux” because no corporation is going to pre-install an OS that isn’t shitty spyware because spying on you is worth money and why on earth would a corporation leave money on the table?

  • djsoren19 ( djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone ) 
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    Best guess is slow growth that eventually plateaus around maybe the 10% mark if we’re lucky.

    People are slaves to comfort, and ultimately that is what Microsoft and Apple are trying to sell. They want something that idiots can’t break, and they know the best way to do that is lock down the OS so much that you’re hardly able to interact with it at all. Unfortunately, there’s a lot of people fundamentally unwilling to expend the very, very small modicum of brainpower necessary to use Linux these days, and I just don’t think there’s any chance of reaching them.

  • Aceticon ( Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    As I see it, if there’s a fast pivot point to Linux it will be when the larger PC makers offer, side by side with a Windows option, a “with Linux pre-installed” option, especially if the final price reflects the cost of the OS license.

    Even then, the shift would take years as people slowly replace old machines, a process which itself takes significativelly longer nowadays due to the current insane prices for some PC parts.

    Sure, there is a drip-drip effect from people getting things like the Steam Deck and Steam Machine as well as tech types replacing whatever is in the machines of their family members with Linux as a way to avoid having to replace that hardware with newer (and at the moment far more expensive) machines, but I don’t think that adds up to much more that 1-2 per year.

    Mind you, this is a point of view based on how things work in Europe and the US - it’s quite possible that things are very different in places like China and developing nations and there are very different pathways and reasons for Linux adoption.

      • Aceticon ( Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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        The manufacturer matters for the option to be at all available, but it’s the seller that matters when it comes to how many people go for it if there is one.

        Non-experts tend to chose from what’s right there in front of them in the store front they’re buying from, not a manufacturer option that they’ll only hear about if they care enough and understand enough to actually go look for it.

        In my experience most PC sellers don’t put their Linux options right there in front of you side by side with the Windows options and with equal proeminence, and this is as much true for online stores as it is for physical stores.

        Lenovo offering it as an option is a pre-condition for people to actually get it but non-techies are still not going to get it if sellers don’t make it as visible and available as the Windows option, which personally I almost never see happen outside smaller techie-friendly PC stores.

  • KssioAug ( KssioAug@lemmy.dbzer0.com ) 
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    I believe Linux will experience a slow, steady growth because the technical alternatives for most Windows features and softwares already exist, making it pretty much a matter of time until people realize it. But the friction, like IT retraining, vendor certified vendor support from Adobe and other shit, and general user habits, are still too high.

    Edit: Although, on a second thought, maybe not even that slow given Microsoft incompetence at managing Windows.

    Valve’s Proton support bringing gaming to Linux effectively, Windows 10 reaching its EoL deeming millions of perfectly functional PCs as e-waste by requiring TPM 2.0 and a short list of CPUs, and Microsoft’s aggressive and incessant push of invasive telemetry and AI features (like that shit Recall stuff), are certainly driving a lot of users toward Linux. If Microsoft keep making decisions like this, I’m not sure how long they will be able retain their user base.

  • I expect an uptick every time a major Windows update does something users don’t want. After the uptick some might go back to Windows or switch to Mac. But otherwise it will be a very slow and steady growth for GNU+Linux. I don’t think GNU+Linux will pass 10% desktop OS market share before 2035, it might even take longer.