Not only do I think non-incarcerated felons should have the right to vote, I think currently incarcerated should as well. Hell, set up a voting location in the prison.
New Zealand also lets the team down by allowing medical advertising. IRC it’s the only country other than the US with prescription medical advertising.
They’d like you to think that. Truth is there’s even less „checks and balances“ there than the already paper thin ones in the US. The courts have no teeth with the government and it’s a effectively unicameral system. Theoretically the King has executive power but he would never step in. Prisoners not being able to vote has been ruled by the courts to be against the Bill of Rights and they were just ignored.
Certainly cutting back 9 out of 10 prisons is a good idea. I don’t object to the idea that there is a certain amount of people who need to be removed for their own and the public’s safety.
But is a prison really where someone like that should go/it should be called? I would argue those people should be in a mental asylum, not what we have as prisons today (though today’s mental asylums aren’t necessarily more humane)
I mean, if responding to my comment about removing some people for “their own safety,” then sure, there are better places that prisons.
But really what I was saying is there are people who do and will continue to be violent toward others, and prisons probably are the right place for them.
But I’m in full agreement that the US incarcerates far far too many people that don’t fit into that description.
Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but there are no non-felons in prison. But there are those in county jails awaiting trial who are not yet convicted (or will be found not guilty) of a crime, and your point is an important one.
Especially since those states are counting those prisoners among the residents in the census.
The entire fucking point is to get the benefits for those additional people, while not having to worry about them voting (likely against the people who put them there)
Important distinction, the census counts the prisoners as residents of the county in which the prison sits. The prisoners are almost always already residents of the state. It’s called prison gerrymandering, and it unfairly advantages the county and districts in which the prisons lie, almost always rural and almost always to Republican advantage.
Not only do I think non-incarcerated felons should have the right to vote, I think currently incarcerated should as well. Hell, set up a voting location in the prison.
That’s how it works in most civilised countries.
I added the qualifier mainly because of New Zealand. AFAIK the country has otherwise its shit together.
New Zealand also lets the team down by allowing medical advertising. IRC it’s the only country other than the US with prescription medical advertising.
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They’d like you to think that. Truth is there’s even less „checks and balances“ there than the already paper thin ones in the US. The courts have no teeth with the government and it’s a effectively unicameral system. Theoretically the King has executive power but he would never step in. Prisoners not being able to vote has been ruled by the courts to be against the Bill of Rights and they were just ignored.
Even better, let’s stop doing prisons
Certainly cutting back 9 out of 10 prisons is a good idea. I don’t object to the idea that there is a certain amount of people who need to be removed for their own and the public’s safety.
But is a prison really where someone like that should go/it should be called? I would argue those people should be in a mental asylum, not what we have as prisons today (though today’s mental asylums aren’t necessarily more humane)
Something like Norway’s system is ideal imo
I mean, if responding to my comment about removing some people for “their own safety,” then sure, there are better places that prisons.
But really what I was saying is there are people who do and will continue to be violent toward others, and prisons probably are the right place for them.
But I’m in full agreement that the US incarcerates far far too many people that don’t fit into that description.
But jail has to be the last resort not the first one.
I’d settle for getting rid of for profit ones
Start with getting rid of private prisons, and then go from there
It is legal in most states for non felons to vote from prison/jail, of course some states make it difficult.
https://campaignlegal.org/update/can-people-vote-jail-yes-its-very-challenging?__cf_chl_f_tk=KkPl7mN2_rLFSPnPAMhqNQ6qDw.KSPb0MKvhMFHfjNY-1782979983-1.0.1.1-RD7ylS0T04M.0bIdIDmnr_Kvozttp2fDFuyQJikBkkA
Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but there are no non-felons in prison. But there are those in county jails awaiting trial who are not yet convicted (or will be found not guilty) of a crime, and your point is an important one.
If we want to get too technical there are some states that place people that commit certain misdemeanors in prison as opposed to jails.
It’s not the majority, but it does happen.
https://www.ncsl.org/civil-and-criminal-justice/misdemeanor-sentencing-trends?__cf_chl_f_tk=aE1cnGu3qx2FIyq7vr3HPY2wXwrgpR2LwzXEZZRHQqY-1783008877-1.0.1.1-2gk_l8oLJVzMur4SabrsHl4NqwkhuB2x.fzAf10_EOU
Especially since those states are counting those prisoners among the residents in the census.
The entire fucking point is to get the benefits for those additional people, while not having to worry about them voting (likely against the people who put them there)
Important distinction, the census counts the prisoners as residents of the county in which the prison sits. The prisoners are almost always already residents of the state. It’s called prison gerrymandering, and it unfairly advantages the county and districts in which the prisons lie, almost always rural and almost always to Republican advantage.
In Canada, currently incarcerated people are allowed to vote by special ballot